Stolen Guns

[Shane361]

My renters just had their(my) house broken into. Prior friend just robbed them blind and stole several weapons from pistols to ARs. He is getting serial numbers for me now but here is a picture of the dirtbag. His car is impounded currently so the Cops are looking for him already. Any help is GREATLY appreciated in finding this guy. Guy is said to be a pill head also. -Shane



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[Mike]

Just wondering how did they know it was this guy?

[Matts94Z28]

Name?

[Shane361]

Name?

Chris Lacey

The guy was the renters girlfriends, brothers friend who crashed one night. He hauled ass after the first AR was stolen then they assume he came back for the rest. They of course can not get ahold of him, wont answer calls or texts. I'd say it was a good assumption being they said he was a pill head with no job. WINNER!

[ForceFed4g63]

He even looks like a douche.

[csikx]

Where did this happen (city)?

[k5hart]

I hate thiefs!!

Hope they get their stuff back.

[Shane361]

Goose Creek on Bayshore Blvd in front of Goose Creek High School.

[chrisheltra]

Sounds like if it werent for bad luck youd have no luck at all.

[Shane361]

Sounds like if it werent for bad luck youd have no luck at all.

You know me well Chris..lol :boohoo:

[gearmesh, inc.]

I'll keep an eye out.

You want him dead or alive?................Just kidding!

If I see him, I'll tail him to see where he goes so the po-po can show up and surprise him.

[Bradleyrj]

We have to assume he'll be trying ot offload the guns for cash. Have the local stores, pawn shops been notified?

[Shane361]

We have to assume he'll be trying ot offload the guns for cash. Have the local stores, pawn shops been notified?

Not that I am aware of. Question on that though....there was a police report filed with serial numbers. Do the Pawn Shops notify the cops when a stolen gun gets sold to them?

[slowgreen99]

Not that I am aware of. Question on that though....there was a police report filed with serial numbers. Do the Pawn Shops notify the cops when a stolen gun gets sold to them?

yes, usually.

[chrisheltra]

Not that I am aware of. Question on that though....there was a police report filed with serial numbers. Do the Pawn Shops notify the cops when a stolen gun gets sold to them?

Yes the cops get notified of anything that shows up in a pawn shop with a visible serial number.

[LadyInRed]

Not that I am aware of. Question on that though....there was a police report filed with serial numbers. Do the Pawn Shops notify the cops when a stolen gun gets sold to them?

The police probably entered the serial numbers in their systems and will get a hit when a pawn shop puts it in theirs. That's what happened with our tow dolly and the VIN.

[namewastaken_0_0]

Goose Creek on Bayshore Blvd in front of Goose Creek High School.

ugh Bayshore.....when I was at Comcast that was one of my areas of install/troublecalls......

You either have nuke kids or pure trash living there......not to be too rude, but does not surprise me theft occurred in that area.....I loath that whole area of the Creek, Harbor Lake Dr too =/


Hope you find the guns. I did an install for an apt near Publix on St James.....was a corporate install (gov contractors) No one was home (pretty normal for a corporate install) and there were about 6 AR-15 looking rifles (not a gun expert) and about 10 hand guns sitting in the living room.

They let us do these installs alone, so I was alone, with a key, and all these guns, no one home. I walk in, see it, walk right out. Fuck that....




Sorry for that long derail and such.

[Shane361]

Just sent his family emails on Facebook and told them all about it....:)

[schardbody]

alot of my family is in the Pawn business and i'll tell you without a doubt that if they have a good idea they are stolen they WILL not enter them into the system because they will never get their money back for them, assuming they have bought them from this guy then the police confiscate them to give back to the owner....

most trailers and offroad type vehicles are not entered into the system for this reason.

[csikx]

Seems like your family members are no better than the criminals... why isn't that surprising?

Pawn shops do not run serial numbers through any database that tells them if items are stolen. So, they wouldn't know if what they are buying or not is stolen. If someone in the pawn shop knowingly purchases something stolen from someone, they can be charged criminally. Keyword here is knowingly.

Only law enforcement personnel have access to run serial numbers and the like to see if they are reported stolen.

[LXtasy]

The company I work for got hit hard wednesday night/ thursday morning and we got several trucks broken into. Tools and all stolen. including my personal tools are all gone. Lee, since your family is in the pawn business please give me a call at 813-3157. I would like them to be on the lookout for all these tools. I currently have NOTHING :(

[schardbody]

my family doesnt actually work inside the pawn shops, they are all GM's.

all i'm saying is SOME people working in them are smart enough to know when they are buying stolen merchandise (ton of guns from a crackhead) and wont enter serial numbers for the item. when they buy something and sell it for profit they make commission, if the item is pulled they make nothing.

and then you have the few or handful atleast that KNOW thieves and will have customers come in asking for such and such size trailer or this size ATV and they just put the word out, and they get what they need, the thief makes money and the salesman makes money. anyone can file a serial number off or play dumb on a big item and say they couldnt find it. i personally know of this situation as common practice by atleast 6 people.

Jr nobody i talk to would be of any help but if you PM me a list of the easy to spot tools (metal brakes or something that doesnt come along everyday that would tip them off) i'll let them know and see if they can spread the word.

best bet is to stop by the pawn shop yourself and just make them aware of as many items as you can but honestly its rare that tools get found because most dont have identification numbers of any kind, if you have a good enough description of any certain item that makes it unique it should be enough to get your stuff back IF they do have it though.

[schardbody]

Seems like your family members are no better than the criminals... why isn't that surprising?

Pawn shops do not run serial numbers through any database that tells them if items are stolen. So, they wouldn't know if what they are buying or not is stolen. If someone in the pawn shop knowingly purchases something stolen from someone, they can be charged criminally. Keyword here is knowingly.

Only law enforcement personnel have access to run serial numbers and the like to see if they are reported stolen.

i didnt actually mean my family was doing this, i just meant that i knew alot of people in the pawn shops around town because my family is in the business.... pretty rude you'd judge me and my family based on what you know of me online. but to clear something up the family members i'm speaking of are not crooks or crooked in any way, however a LARGE portion of my family is (i have 34 1st cousins in charleston area), not all of us turned into useful citizens so i know how things on the bad side work.

[csikx]

i didnt actually mean my family was doing this, i just meant that i knew alot of people in the pawn shops around town because my family is in the business.... pretty rude you'd judge me and my family based on what you know of me online. but to clear something up the family members i'm speaking of are not crooks or crooked in any way, however a LARGE portion of my family is (i have 34 1st cousins in charleston area), not all of us turned into useful citizens so i know how things on the bad side work.

I didn't judge. I made my statement on solely what YOU said about your FAMILY. Maybe the way it was worded was the problem.

:cheers

[LXtasy]

My tools would say HAL or hambone on them. Its a variety of tools from hand tools, cordless tools to gauges etc. Over 1k gone. Not including what everyone else is missing.

[schardbody]

Shane and Hal i'll let the GM over goose creek and summerville know to let the employees know to keep an eye out for anyone with a descent amount of guns or tools for sale.

[namewastaken_0_0]

Pawn shops do not run serial numbers through any database that tells them if items are stolen. So, they wouldn't know if what they are buying or not is stolen. If someone in the pawn shop knowingly purchases something stolen from someone, they can be charged criminally. Keyword here is knowingly.



I feel as if your logic here is the pawn shop would turn a blind eye and use the "knowingly" defense.


However, your logic if it be that is very flawed.


Why would a pawn shop give money for an item that maybe taken at any given time during an open investigation. I as a pawn shop owner would only call police when someone wants to pawn guns of any kind. Jewelry is always a hit or miss and rarely has serial numbers (aside from high end watches or custom jewelry).


But, after reading what I just wrote I think you're really trying to say is there is no database or tools pawn shops can use to scan or verify stolen goods. So they don't necessarily turn a blind eye, but just don't know for sure unless the person is shaky, sweating, and willing to take bottom dollar and not haggle.

That would actually be a great app for a phone.....police take a picture, put up in a data base, then pawn shop owners take a picture to match....like finger prints.

[Shane361]

Shane and Hal i'll let the GM over goose creek and summerville know to let the employees know to keep an eye out for anyone with a descent amount of guns or tools for sale.

:cheers

[LXtasy]

Thanks lee.

[csikx]

I feel as if your logic here is the pawn shop would turn a blind eye and use the "knowingly" defense.


However, your logic if it be that is very flawed.


Why would a pawn shop give money for an item that maybe taken at any given time during an open investigation. I as a pawn shop owner would only call police when someone wants to pawn guns of any kind. Jewelry is always a hit or miss and rarely has serial numbers (aside from high end watches or custom jewelry).


But, after reading what I just wrote I think you're really trying to say is there is no database or tools pawn shops can use to scan or verify stolen goods. So they don't necessarily turn a blind eye, but just don't know for sure unless the person is shaky, sweating, and willing to take bottom dollar and not haggle.

That would actually be a great app for a phone.....police take a picture, put up in a data base, then pawn shop owners take a picture to match....like finger prints.

I can just tell you what I experience from working in law enforcement... It's a business and they take the risks. If the pawn shop buys 10 stolen items, chances are maybe 1 or 2 of those would ever be recovered. I'd say its profitable. I can't go too much into detail of what tools the pawn shops and law enforcement had or I'd be shooting myself in the foot... not saying you guys on here are criminals, but it would be counterproductive.

You're giving pawn shops too much credit. They do turn a blind eye, and you can make any excuse you want for them, but if John Doe pawns a brand new DeWalt drill twice a week in an unopened box and never has receipts chances are the items are stolen. That is the "blind eye" which I speak of.

[namewastaken_0_0]

V Fair enough.

[Matts94Z28]

^ Barking up the wrong tree. Stop being confrontational.

[chrisheltra]

So for me being a IT based contractor, and getting to take home 10 desktops, and selling them to a pawnshop......you assume they are stolen?
Even the memory I am selling in the fs/ft thread was from a contract. Does not mean because I am selling it super cheap means I stole it.

When I worked for Comcast we got drills all day, tools all day, 60lbs of 8awg ground wire, coax, and ground rods.......I could have made easily an extra 600 dollars a week pawning/recycling.

Don't assume because joe smoe comes in with 2 drills a week for 4 months straight that they are stolen.

You say you're in law enforcement? Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you at all?

Just because there is a stereotype out there for pawn shops, doesn't mean they are all that way.....just enough to make a stereotype.

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[LXtasy]

From what I gather in general, our society is a guilty until proven innocent

[bwelch]

From what I gather in general, our society is a guilty until proven innocent

troof

[Shane361]

Few updates...

He pawned some of the jewelry that belong to my renter Brandon. They couldn't comment on the guns because that is still an ongoing investigation. They did more or less wink at him so to speak about that. Seems this guy has several aliases and is a previously wanted man. Hope they get him.

[schardbody]

which pawn shop?

[Shane361]

which pawn shop?

Not sure

[adamcs]

Well then the only option is to find him, shoot him with one of the guns he stole and call it suicide, open and shut case johnson....then sprinkle some crack on him

[gearmesh, inc.]

Well then the only option is to find him, shoot him with one of the guns he stole and call it suicide, open and shut case johnson....then sprinkle some crack on him

Now you are talking some real justice without all the taxpayer money tied up forever in the court system.

Given the prior backround of this oxygen wasting excuse for a human being, you can probably skip the sprinkling of the crack on him.

[csikx]

Not sure

My partner is working this case. Small world.

[Shane361]

My partner is working this case. Small world.

Very cool...hope they get this loser. If they do I am def pressing charges for breaking and entering and damage to the house.-Shane