what to do? add on or new engine?

[Cmatt1605]

hey guys i wanted to post a poll on here and see what you all think. I am wanting a bit more power out of my camaro, and have narrowed it down to 3 different choices. I already have a 305 with aftermarket intake, ignition, carb, cam, and headers. I am not looking for any crazy power numbers, just something i can depend on and have some decent power when i wanna play (350-400hp). this is mostly going to be just a fun car to cruse around in and every once in a while take it to the strip to play. i would like to spend as little as possable and at the same time get good results. so here is my question, throw a set of heads on my 305 and get around 350-360 hp for around $1000, buy a 383 stroker crate engine for around $3,300. or get an LS1 engine/trans combo (was told i can get one of these for around $2,500-$3,000 used). what do you guys think?


add on for 305

383 stroker

LS1 engine and trans

[ShawnBoyMoody]

LS swap.

[blubyu87gt]

B18c swap.

[Cmatt1605]

B18c swap.

oh yeah! and a nice fart can on the back too! OH and a huge "JDM" tow hook too! :mrgreen:

[chrisheltra]

5hp B&S

[1BAD4DR]

5hp B&S

LIKE!

[Bradleyrj]

LS Juan!

[MonteC]

Spending 1000 bucks on a 305 would be like head butting a knife.

[1iron]

BBC

[ForceFed4g63]

5hp B&S

x2

Didn't see this one the poll for some reason.

[schardbody]

Spending 1000 bucks on a 305 would be like head butting a knife.

I agree!!!!

I also think your HP numbers are way off. You might be at 300whp with a h/c/I 305. A bolt on ls1 will make 350whp but cost too much, cam it to make 400+ or stay 1st Gen SBC.

You might get the ls swap for $2500ish but double that to get it in the car.

Grab a 350 build it for under $2k and make 350+whp and swap it in an hour.

[BigdaddyDupree]

i dont have 5k in my swap

[chrisheltra]

http://image.streetrodderweb.com/f/tech/1105sr_ford_5_coyote_motor/36164169+pheader_460x1000/1105sr-01-z+ford-coyote-motor-5-v8+.jpg

[slowgreen99]

6.0 with a cam and Ray ported heads. And be done. Or go SBF.

[bwelch]

http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11956

refer to post #2.

[schardbody]

i dont have 5k in my swap

Little bit of exaggeration but the point is it cost a good bit more to get it in a car and running.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Little bit of exaggeration but the point is it cost a good bit more to get it in a car and running.

I keep all my invoices in my drawer at work Ive spent right at 3500 on my swap. Your results may vary. I was gifted the 5.3 so add 350 bucks for a junkyard mota. It can be done cheap if you wait on deals..... this includes the tubular k member and high dollar drive shaft.

[chrisheltra]

You guys dont want to see what I have in my pos mod motor.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Yes we do.

[03SVTCOBRA]

You guys dont want to see what I have in my pos mod motor.


I have a pretty good idea lol

[chrisheltra]

Yes we do.

My heads and cams cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my blower cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my rotating assembly cost nearly what your whole motor swap did. Add it up and youll get an idea. I should have went LS. lol

I have a pretty good idea lol

^^^This guy knows though he has to buy twice as many cams as me.

[LadyInRed]

LS1

[ForceFed4g63]

My heads and cams cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my blower cost nearly what your whole motor swap did, my rotating assembly cost nearly what your whole motor swap did. Add it up and youll get an idea. I should have went LS. lol




http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3eu9cIofr1qz88aho1_500.gif

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Baller. Its expensive to push a brick into the sixes.

[chrisheltra]

Its expensive to push a brick into the sixes.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[04ctd]

how old are you? job status? student? only car?

a LS trade is the only logical answer, but it could take a long time if you hit a snag, and esp if you need a MBT of $$ to recover from the snag.

if you are young, you will be looking to trade around soon, and i think a LSx swap will be better to sell than a SBC upgrade.


FWIW, we put a Performer RPM intake on a 305 H.O. (back when Vanilla Ice was cool), and it was soft on bottom, but it rolled out on mid/top end for what it was.

i say drive it as is, and just talk about it.
once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

[LadyInRed]

once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

Oh how true...

[schardbody]

I keep all my invoices in my drawer at work Ive spent right at 3500 on my swap. Your results may vary. I was gifted the 5.3 so add 350 bucks for a junkyard mota. It can be done cheap if you wait on deals..... this includes the tubular k member and high dollar drive shaft.

That's not too bad. Fwiw all the local yards want $800+ for any ls truck motor. I think Marathon recycling in summerville has the best prices.

[Cmatt1605]

how old are you? job status? student? only car?

a LS trade is the only logical answer, but it could take a long time if you hit a snag, and esp if you need a MBT of $$ to recover from the snag.

if you are young, you will be looking to trade around soon, and i think a LSx swap will be better to sell than a SBC upgrade.


FWIW, we put a Performer RPM intake on a 305 H.O. (back when Vanilla Ice was cool), and it was soft on bottom, but it rolled out on mid/top end for what it was.

i say drive it as is, and just talk about it.
once you take it off the road, and apart, you got problems.

i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.

I agree!!!!

I also think your HP numbers are way off. You might be at 300whp with a h/c/I 305. A bolt on ls1 will make 350whp but cost too much, cam it to make 400+ or stay 1st Gen SBC.

You might get the ls swap for $2500ish but double that to get it in the car.

Grab a 350 build it for under $2k and make 350+whp and swap it in an hour.

you can get over 350hp out of a 305. but you are correct about the 350 being better in the long run. the only reason i am even considering building up the 305 a little is becasue i might throw it in a truck later down the road just for fun. just about the only huge difference between there setup and mine is the heads:

"There were a few surprised expressions when the 305 cranked 367 hp at 6,000 rpm on the first pull. With some fine-tuning of the air/fuel ratio via a jet change to the Speed Demon carb, power inched up to 372 hp at 6,100 rpm"

Read more: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/chevrolet/0667_phrs_305_chevy_engine_blocks/viewall.html#ixzz1wsgr3700

[schardbody]

i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.



you can get over 350hp out of a 305. but you are correct about the 350 being better in the long run. the only reason i am even considering building up the 305 a little is becasue i might throw it in a truck later down the road just for fun. just about the only huge difference between there setup and mine is the heads:

"There were a few surprised expressions when the 305 cranked 367 hp at 6,000 rpm on the first pull. With some fine-tuning of the air/fuel ratio via a jet change to the Speed Demon carb, power inched up to 372 hp at 6,100 rpm"

Read more: http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/chevrolet/0667_phrs_305_chevy_engine_blocks/viewall.html#ixzz1wsgr3700

thats an engine dyno, take 20% for drivetrain loss and you're at what? 300whp, less than a STOCK 5.3 with carb setup and cam.

i didnt realize it was a "weekend" car that can afford downtime, so i retract all previous statements about going 1st gen SBC, go LS without a doubt.

[BigdaddyDupree]

Go ls and never look back. Mine will be up soon enough and I could take you on a ride.

[1BAD4DR]

Sheltra balling again...

[oldskoolstang]

ls swap

[1998ta__1991rs]

i am 18 and work full time at Boeing. this car is not my DD, but i would like it to be soon. im focusing on getting all the non-drivetrain done first (body and interrior) and all of that is just about done.

go back to Ohio

[ShawnBoyMoody]

go back to Ohio

Lmao reps. :hail:

[MonteC]

Harry? Add on to the 305? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

[AverageJoe]

Harry? Add on to the 305? EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

Retarded. Probably voted that way because his wife told him no laws could be broken with that motor.

[Matts94Z28]

How the heck did you get on with Boeing at 18?!

I will sell you an lt1. Lol

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Retarded. Probably voted that way because his wife told him no laws could be broken with that motor.

Hehe this guy!

[adamcs]

go back to Ohio

What the fuck is a buckeye anyway

[slowgreen99]

What the fuck is a buckeye anyway

this?
1101

[adamcs]

this?
1101

She can stay...all the other ones better gtfo

[slowgreen99]

She can stay...all the other ones better gtfo

lmao

[Cmatt1605]

go back to Ohio


why would i be from ohio?

im from Virginia man

[Cmatt1605]

How the heck did you get on with Boeing at 18?!

I will sell you an lt1. Lol

networking :mrgreen:

[ShawnBoyMoody]

why would i be from ohio?

im from Virginia man

Inside joke. MOST of the employees at Boeing are carpetbaggers from Ohio.

[ForceFed4g63]

Inside joke. MOST of the employees at Boeing are carpetbaggers from Ohio.

He hasn't been in Charleston long enough to get it lol.

[namewastaken_0_0]

networking :mrgreen:

Happen to know a guy named Andy up there at Boeing?

[DolSVT00]

this?
1101

That's a transplant, I'm in Ohio this second and they ain't nothing but fattys that are even too bad for me.

[chrisheltra]

Fatties too big for you?

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Must be a huge bitch lol

[Cmatt1605]

Happen to know a guy named Andy up there at Boeing?

andy who?