Deputies shoot wrong suspect

[PapaBear]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/264499/4/Deputies-shoot-kill-man-after-knocking-on-wrong-door

[ForceFed4g63]

Aren't they required by law to announce that they're law enforcement officers? That's a damn shame right there, law abiding citizen dead because of incompetent police.

[adamcs]

I love how they dress it up, "if you point a gun at a police officer your going to get shot" i guess cops are the only people allowed to have guns...

[chrisheltra]

Its unfortunate but mistakes happen sometimes. Just be lucky you can pay someone else to do a job you dont want to do (police).

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Inb4WW

[ForceFed4g63]

Inb4harry

[adamcs]

Its unfortunate but mistakes happen sometimes. Just be lucky you can pay someone else to do a job you dont want to do (police).

Not arguing with you but i do this job, and i know damn well you dont just go shooting the first person you see with a damn gun, and you should know that going to somebodies house at 130 in the morning people might be a little edgy...and i agree accidents do happen but in that position you cant afford an accident.

[AverageJoe]

Inb4harryswifetellshimwhattopost

[2001hawk]

If only there had been roads and internet maybe the police could have knocked on the right door. Is it too much to hope that the apartment occupant was a democrat??? Only possible silver lining.

[PapaBear]

Here's the video:
http://news.yahoo.com/video/deputies-shoot-kill-man-knocking-163819466.html


Look at the door....are those bullet holes in the door? That makes things even more interesting.

[WWhittle]

Phuck the police!

[ForceFed4g63]

Phuck the police!

Bryan? How did you get on Wes' computer???

[LXtasy]

I would have been shot dead also.

[adamcs]

Phuck the police!

Hell yea

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Phuck the police!

Coming straight from the undeground, a young nigga got it bad cause Im brown.

[ForceFed4g63]

Coming straight from the undeground, a young nigga got it bad cause Im brown.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo95/bigjaker/sbmbwa.png

[Darryl Buckner]

If only there had been roads and internet maybe the police could have knocked on the right door. Is it too much to hope that the apartment occupant was a democrat??? Only possible silver lining.

This! :bigthumb:

[Harry]

Inb4harryswifetellshimwhattopost

I really is sad your such a closed minded individual. I guess you are really a nice guy and your wife is an asshole telling you what to post? No abbreviations needed.

[bwelch]

Phuck the police!

x2

[2001hawk]

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo95/bigjaker/sbmbwa.png

I would say this deserves a rep.

[WWhittle]

So are we going to argue about this or what? You guys are dissapointing me today-

(Based on the limited info we have) I don't think the cops did anything wrong. That should get the arguement started!

[chrisheltra]

So are we going to argue about this or what? You guys are dissapointing me today-

(Based on the limited info we have) I don't think the cops did anything wrong. That should get the arguement started!

We only argue about phones on CHP. :cheers

[ForceFed4g63]

We only argue about phones on CHP. :cheers

And gardens.

[adamcs]

We only argue about phones on CHP. :cheers

Fuck phones

[adamcs]

And gardens.

Fuck gardens too

[chrisheltra]

I haven't visited the garden thread yet.

[gearmesh, inc.]

Some unknown knocking on my door at 1.30AM isn't going to get me to go anywhere near a door. I'll just pick up the Mossberg, be quiet, get down low, and wait for the unwanted entry to happen, then light them m-effers up.

A shotgun with #1 buckshot will take out a lot more of them than a handgun will.

[AverageJoe]

I think the cops should be prosecuted for murder. It won't happen, but at the very least they should get fired and should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again. They did not identify themselves and shot to kill when they saw a gun. You can't even call that justifiable.

People get fired for much less than that.

[WWhittle]

I think the cops should be prosecuted for murder. It won't happen, but at the very least they should get fired and should never be allowed to work in law enforcement again. They did not identify themselves and shot to kill when they saw a gun. You can't even call that justifiable.

People get fired for much less than that.


Just for the sake of arguement- what did they do wrong?

They knocked, the guy opened the door with a gun pointed at them. They weren't entering, so they didn't have to "knock and announce". They were just knocking, looking for someone I assume.

At 2am, someone knocking on your door is going to be one of 2 things (maybe 3 if you have a crazy x girlfriend)- someone who wants to cause you harm, or the police. If you want to roll the dice and open the door with the gun in someones face, be prepared if you guess wrong!

They shot the guy with the gun pointed at them- I say they shot the RIGHT guy. Might not be the guy they were originally looking for, but it damn sure wasn't the WRONG guy.

[FRDnemesis]

At 2am, someone knocking on your door is going to be one of 2 things (maybe 3 if you have a crazy x girlfriend)- someone who wants to cause you harm, or the police.

If you want to roll the dice and open the door with the gun in someones face, be prepared if you guess wrong!



New favorite quote!!! :hysterical:

[AverageJoe]

Just for the sake of arguement- what did they do wrong?



They killed a guy, in his own home, that was exercising his right to defend himself. The guy commited no crime. The incompetence of the officers involved cost an innocent life.

[WWhittle]

They killed a guy, in his own home, that was exercising his right to defend himself. The guy commited no crime.

I don't argue that. I also think it's tragic. But, I also don't think the police did anything "wrong". Knocking on a door at 2am is stressful and "scary" from both sides of that door, remember that.

[WWhittle]

They killed a guy, in his own home, that was exercising his right to defend himself. The guy commited no crime. The incompetence of the officers involved cost an innocent life.

You added the incompetence part-

What part of this story shows any sign of incompetence?

[AverageJoe]

You added the incompetence part-

What part of this story shows any sign of incompetence?

They knocked on the wrong door.

[CHEVYMAN434]

They woulndt even get to my door.The spring loaded trap devices,cane corso,rotty and my pitt would most prob let me know they were there.Then the rifle i keep by my door will unleash on their asses.So try that out here.lol....Better call first,all the cops in this county have my number

[WWhittle]

They knocked on the wrong door.

There is only one right door. And when you are looking for someone, you knock on all the doors until you find the right one. That's not incompetence, that's called looking for someone.

[WWhittle]

They woulndt even get to my door.The spring loaded trap devices,cane corso,rotty and my pitt would most prob let me know they were there.Then the rifle i keep by my door will unleash on their asses.So try that out here.lol....Better call first,all the cops in this county have my number

You can say that all you want but you aren't shooting any cops if they come to your house. That's ridiculous.

[shdw on th sun]

Not taking sides, but this is tragic. I wish the gentleman would have asked who it was , and upon learning it was the police, announced he had a handgun behind the door that HE REFUSED TO OPEN. I also wish the cops would have had the right door

[Harry]

Not taking sides, but this is tragic. I wish the gentleman would have asked who it was , and upon learning it was the police, announced he had a handgun behind the door that HE REFUSED TO OPEN. I also wish the cops would have had the right door

x2. Just proves you never really know what is going to happen.

[WWhittle]

Not taking sides, but this is tragic. I wish the gentleman would have asked who it was , and upon learning it was the police, announced he had a handgun behind the door that HE REFUSED TO OPEN. I also wish the cops would have had the right door

I agree. I really do think the whole deal sucks, I'm just playing devils advocate.

The problem I have is with the way the media reports it- they write the articles as if the police were going to the door to shoot the "right" guy but knocked on the wrong door and shot the "wrong" guy.

They weren't there to shoot anyone. They were looking for an attempted murder suspect in an area where his motorcycle (still warm) was parked, and he was reported to be. (He was there by the way, they got him out of another apartment). The media makes it out like they were there to shoot someone.

Like I said originally. If you are going to roll the dice and open the door with the gun pointed at whoever is on the other side, be prepared for the responsiblity and consequences that pointing that gun may bring. That goes for anywhere, and anyone who carries.

[Matts94Z28]

Damn. Wes is slamming Joe in this debate.

[WWhittle]

Damn. Wes is slamming Joe in this debate.

Lol. Not trying to slam anyone- ya'll know I like to debate the police topics. It's just for fun.

[chrisheltra]

Are doors not equipped with peep holes anymore?

[Harry]

Are doors not equipped with peep holes anymore?

Probably was.

[snakeplissken]

Just for the sake of arguement- what did they do wrong?

They knocked, the guy opened the door with a gun pointed at them. They weren't entering, so they didn't have to "knock and announce". They were just knocking, looking for someone I assume.

At 2am, someone knocking on your door is going to be one of 2 things (maybe 3 if you have a crazy x girlfriend)- someone who wants to cause you harm, or the police. If you want to roll the dice and open the door with the gun in someones face, be prepared if you guess wrong!

They shot the guy with the gun pointed at them- I say they shot the RIGHT guy. Might not be the guy they were originally looking for, but it damn sure wasn't the WRONG guy.

Or, a drunken German neighbor you don't know that came to tell you one of your sprinkler heads popped the first week in your new house.

Could be him.

[LXtasy]

My house has a peep hole in the front door and so did my apartment I lived in. How do we know that the police did not announce their presence? Did the dead guy tell the media that?

[WWhittle]

My house has a peep hole in the front door and so did my apartment I lived in. How do we know that the police did not announce their presence? Did the dead guy tell the media that?

I think that the police said they did not announce. But, they didn't have to anyway. I would bet that the way that scenario would normally go down is- KNOCK, KNOCK- who is it- POLICE DEPARTMENT, OPEN THE DOOR.

Not KNOCK KNOCK- gun in face- BOOM BOOM.

If they would have been entering the home, they would have needed to knock and announce. (unless it was a no knock warrant) But they weren't entering.

[ForceFed4g63]

I can see both sides, but I can honestly say that the guy didn't do anything wrong. He had a right to open his door with a weapon in his hand. If he didn't know it was the police that is in no way shape or form his fault if they didnt announce their presence.

[LXtasy]

I believe the cops did what was right for their safety. I also believed the dead guy did what he thought was right also. Me personally, I look outside. If I do not see anybody, I will talk through the door before I open it. And if they say that they are police they will have to show me their badge at the window. This scenario is sad that it happened. But nothing can change it now, and I feel the police defended themselves. The dead guy could have been the bad guy to begin with.

[CHEVYMAN434]

Did anyone notice the evidence stickers on the door?? I wonder if that was bullet holes and who shot them? If it was the police shootin through the door i would say they were clearly in the wrong.That would mean that he probably opened the door and showed the gun and shut the door and they were fired on him.....

[gearmesh, inc.]

Moral of the story: If you murder someone, don't park in front of your own front door. Park in front of someone else's door you don't like.

Indiana has passed a law that gives homeowners the legal right to protect themselves in their homes even if the police have the wrong address. Apparently, law enforcement had been very overreaching in a lot of wrong house f-ups in that state. The state legislature sent a bill to the Governor and he signed it taking the side of the homeowners in his state.

Lately, there has been a rash of break ins reported all over the country about some elaborate crooks announcing themselves as the police just to get someone to open the door. They even have T-shirts and body armor with the word POLICE on them and realistic enough badges that look authentic through a peephole or window. Once the door is open, they are in and on top of you if you are right behind the door.

This is why you don't go near the door if it doesn't seem or feel right. Get down low and take cover with whatever firepower you have and wait. Mow the first one down as soon as he comes through the door so all the others have to climb over the bastard to get to you. Make sure your shots are at head level, too. Body armor doesn't work too well for the head.

[WWhittle]

Moral of the story: If you murder someone, don't park in front of your own front door. Park in front of someone else's door you don't like.

Indiana has passed a law that gives homeowners the legal right to protect themselves in their homes even if the police have the wrong address. Apparently, law enforcement had been very overreaching in a lot of wrong house f-ups in that state. The state legislature sent a bill to the Governor and he signed it taking the side of the homeowners in his state.

Lately, there has been a rash of break ins reported all over the country about some elaborate crooks announcing themselves as the police just to get someone to open the door. They even have T-shirts and body armor with the word POLICE on them and realistic enough badges that look authentic through a peephole or window. Once the door is open, they are in and on top of you if you are right behind the door.

This is why you don't go near the door if it doesn't seem or feel right. Get down low and take cover with whatever firepower you have and wait. Mow the first one down as soon as he comes through the door so all the others have to climb over the bastard to get to you. Make sure your shots are at head level, too. Body armor doesn't work too well for the head.

I guess that's one way to look at it.

I would say moral of the story is don't open your door with a gun pointed at whoever is on the other side unless you are prepared to shoot or get shot! No matter who is on the other side!

If you are in fear enough to answer the door with your gun pointed at the person, how about just don't open the door?

I feel like the dead guy had a lot of other options that could have kept all this from happening, but once he opened the door with the gun pointed at the officers, they were backed into a corner.

[CHEVYMAN434]

They didnt say he fired a single shot either.....so

[shdw on th sun]

I agree. I really do think the whole deal sucks, I'm just playing devils advocate.

The problem I have is with the way the media reports it- they write the articles as if the police were going to the door to shoot the "right" guy but knocked on the wrong door and shot the "wrong" guy.

They weren't there to shoot anyone. They were looking for an attempted murder suspect in an area where his motorcycle (still warm) was parked, and he was reported to be. (He was there by the way, they got him out of another apartment). The media makes it out like they were there to shoot someone.

Like I said originally. If you are going to roll the dice and open the door with the gun pointed at whoever is on the other side, be prepared for the responsiblity and consequences that pointing that gun may bring. That goes for anywhere, and anyone who carries.

I agree, though the media always seems to "soften" the side of the govt, making the deceased (in this situation) out to be wrong

I can see both sides, but I can honestly say that the guy didn't do anything wrong. He had a right to open his door with a weapon in his hand. If he didn't know it was the police that is in no way shape or form his fault if they didnt announce their presence.

agreed

Moral of the story: If you murder someone, don't park in front of your own front door. Park in front of someone else's door you don't like.

Indiana has passed a law that gives homeowners the legal right to protect themselves in their homes even if the police have the wrong address. Apparently, law enforcement had been very overreaching in a lot of wrong house f-ups in that state. The state legislature sent a bill to the Governor and he signed it taking the side of the homeowners in his state.

Lately, there has been a rash of break ins reported all over the country about some elaborate crooks announcing themselves as the police just to get someone to open the door. They even have T-shirts and body armor with the word POLICE on them and realistic enough badges that look authentic through a peephole or window. Once the door is open, they are in and on top of you if you are right behind the door.

This is why you don't go near the door if it doesn't seem or feel right. Get down low and take cover with whatever firepower you have and wait. Mow the first one down as soon as he comes through the door so all the others have to climb over the bastard to get to you. Make sure your shots are at head level, too. Body armor doesn't work too well for the head.

This. If the police need to knock and announce themselves, then they're probably on a goose chase and will not be entering any residence at which I am asnwering the door. they will knock for hours, and I'll let them. they can come back with a warrant and kick the thing down

I guess that's one way to look at it.

I would say moral of the story is don't open your door with a gun pointed at whoever is on the other side unless you are prepared to shoot or get shot! No matter who is on the other side!

If you are in fear enough to answer the door with your gun pointed at the person, how about just don't open the door?

I feel like the dead guy had a lot of other options that could have kept all this from happening, but once he opened the door with the gun pointed at the officers, they were backed into a corner.

true, any officer will shoot to kill anyone and anything presenting imminent danger to themselves or others (as they should)

again, it's a sticky situation, and I, personally would have handled it differently on both sides of the door

They didnt say he fired a single shot either.....so

it's irrelevant now

[ShawnBoyMoody]

My 2 cents. If he was black the police would be crucified. Just another dead white guy.

[WWhittle]

They didnt say he fired a single shot either.....so

He didn't have to.
(1) the officers lives were in jeopardy and the guy had the (2) ability and (3) opportunity to cause them great bodily injury or death so they were within their rights to use deadly force.

[WWhittle]

My 2 cents. If he was black the police would be crucified. Just another dead white guy.

Completely different thread!

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Completely different thread!

Is it?

[WWhittle]

Is it?

I smell what your stepping in!

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Lol. Just sayin.

[BAD BOB]

so just say the man opened up the front door with gun ready and opened fire on the cops as soon as the door opened, would he be thought of in the same way as the cops? they would expect him to see that they were law enforcement and drop his gun but you would maybe think they cops would of done the same when they seen it was the wrong man. It was basically when the door open who ever got shot first lost.

[shdw on th sun]

so just say the man opened up the front door with gun ready and opened fire on the cops as soon as the door opened, would he be thought of in the same way as the cops? they would expect him to see that they were law enforcement and drop his gun but you would maybe think they cops would of done the same when they seen it was the wrong man. It was basically when the door open who ever got shot first lost.

unfortunately, he would most likely not enjoy the same immunity the officers did

[WWhittle]

unfortunately, he would most likely not enjoy the same immunity the officers did

Yeah no shit he wouldn't. Your life has to be in danger to use deadly force. His wasn't, the officers was. It's unfortunate but it's pretty black and white to me BASED ON THE LIMITED INFO WE HAVE.

[minytrker]

Im surprised it even made the news since he was white. If someone knocks on my door at 1 am I defiantly would have a gun in my hand if I opened the door. I probably wouldn't have it pointed at the person when opening it though. Its a little different here in Texas though, 99% of the people here have guns so things are handled differently here. Its also harder for cops to go to the wrong address when out in the country.

[AverageJoe]

Damn. Wes is slamming Joe in this debate.

No point in arguing with cop nut-swingers or cops, they are always right.:roll:

[namewastaken_0_0]

If someone knocks on my door at 1 am I defiantly would have a gun in my hand if I opened the door. I probably wouldn't have it pointed at the person when opening it though. .

If someone knocked on my door at 1am.....and I cannot smell smoke , or hear sirens.....I will not answer. They can come back at a goddam normal time of day like every other normal person. Including police.

Now....if they knocked and busted the door....then I can see reaching for a gun.


Shitty situation and I feel sorry for the dead dude and his family. But then again America is notorious for having bad "intel" :hysterical: causing many deaths.

[ForceFed4g63]

Yeah no shit he wouldn't. Your life has to be in danger to use deadly force. His wasn't, the officers was. It's unfortunate but it's pretty black and white to me BASED ON THE LIMITED INFO WE HAVE.

How did he know it wasn't? If they didn't announce they were the police he had good reason to think his life might be in danger.

[adamcs]

No point in arguing with cop nut-swingers or cops, they are always right.:roll:

Wrong....there is no point arguing with a cop because ill just fuckin spray your ass...

[WWhittle]

How did he know it wasn't? If they didn't announce they were the police he had good reason to think his life might be in danger.

Like I said earlier, he had plenty of options. Look out the window, ask who it was, don't open the door, etc. When he opened the door with his gun pointed at them, what options did they have?

[WWhittle]

No point in arguing with cop nut-swingers or cops, they are always right.:roll:

When all else fails, INSULT!

[ForceFed4g63]

Like I said earlier, he had plenty of options. Look out the window, ask who it was, don't open the door, etc. When he opened the door with his gun pointed at them, what options did they have?

If they were in swat gear, no lights, etc. it would probably be hard to tell, especially since it's the middle of the night and he probably just woke up. Maybe we just won't see eye to eye but I honestly don't see how this is the guy's fault at all. They knocked on the wrong door and didn't say they were police, that's 2 things they did wrong. The guy was protecting himself and his property, if it were to go to court I'm willing to bet that he would not be found at fault for anything he did.

[1iron]

Yeah no shit he wouldn't. Your life has to be in danger to use deadly force. His wasn't, the officers was. It's unfortunate but it's pretty black and white to me BASED ON THE LIMITED INFO WE HAVE.

So, He was killed, but his life wasn't in danger? Seems to me that he was within his rights to have a gun in his house. Of course the cops say he pointed it at them. Cops lie. Been there seen that.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

CHP = Cop Hatin Peoples

[adamcs]

So, He was killed, but his life wasn't in danger? Seems to me that he was within his rights to have a gun in his house. Of course the cops say he pointed it at them. Cops lie. Been there seen that.

Everybody lies

[1iron]

Everybody lies

yep

[WWhittle]

If they were in swat gear, no lights, etc. it would probably be hard to tell, especially since it's the middle of the night and he probably just woke up. Maybe we just won't see eye to eye but I honestly don't see how this is the guy's fault at all. They knocked on the wrong door and didn't say they were police, that's 2 things they did wrong. The guy was protecting himself and his property, if it were to go to court I'm willing to bet that he would not be found at fault for anything he did.

We don't have to agree, that's okay. All I'm saying is that the officers didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, I'm just saying he may have had some other options. It's in an unfortunate situation all the way around. We are definitely going to disagree on your two points where you said the cops did two things wrong. They did not knock on the wrong door. They were looking for somebody, and that might require knocking on multiple doors- and like I said earlier, only one of those doors is going to be the right door. That's just part of looking for somebody. It's kind of like fishing. You might cast a hundred times and only catch one fish but you have to make those hundred cast to catch a fish. They also were not wrong for not "announcing" themselves. It would not be normal to knock on the door and be yelling "police" at the same time unless you plan on entering the house. Normally you would knock, the person would ask who it is, and you would answer "police". Then again, I'm just playing devils advocate so I could be completely off-base. :bigthumb: however, I have watched a few COPS marathons on TV.

So, He was killed, but his life wasn't in danger? Seems to me that he was within his rights to have a gun in his house. Of course the cops say he pointed it at them. Cops lie. Been there seen that.

I mean really? Is the best you can come up with is that the cops lied? I mean seriously- do you really believe that the best answer to this is that the cops lied? His life was not in danger until he chose to open the door with a gun pointed at whoever was on the other side. It doesn't matter if it's the police, or if it's an intruder, or who it is- when you make the choice to point a gun at somebody you better be prepared for what happens next. If you truly are in fear for your life, why would you even open the door? I hate to say it, but I think it's probably more likely that this guy thought he was Billy badass with a pistol that he had just acquired from a friend, opened the door like a tough guy, and found out the hard way that you don't point a pistol at a police officer.



We can argue this all day long but like I said earlier, I'm not blaming the other guy, I'm just saying that he may have had some other options. I think that both parties did what they felt was appropriate for the situation that was presented to them.

[Harry]

We don't have to agree, that's okay. All I'm saying is that the officers didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, I'm just saying he may have had some other options. It's in an unfortunate situation all the way around. We are definitely going to disagree on your two points where you said the cops did two things wrong. They did not knock on the wrong door. They were looking for somebody, and that might require knocking on multiple doors- and like I said earlier, only one of those doors is going to be the right door. That's just part of looking for somebody. It's kind of like fishing. You might cast a hundred times and only catch one fish but you have to make those hundred cast to catch a fish. They also were not wrong for not "announcing" themselves. It would not be normal to knock on the door and be yelling "police" at the same time unless you plan on entering the house. Normally you would knock, the person would ask who it is, and you would answer "police". Then again, I'm just playing devils advocate so I could be completely off-base. :bigthumb: however, I have watched a few COPS marathons on TV.



I mean really? Is the best you can come up with is that the cops lied? I mean seriously- do you really believe that the best answer to this is that the cops lied? His life was not in danger until he chose to open the door with a gun pointed at whoever was on the other side. It doesn't matter if it's the police, or if it's an intruder, or who it is- when you make the choice to point a gun at somebody you better be prepared for what happens next. If you truly are in fear for your life, why would you even open the door? I hate to say it, but I think it's probably more likely that this guy thought he was Billy badass with a pistol that he had just acquired from a friend, opened the door like a tough guy, and found out the hard way that you don't point a pistol at a police officer.



We can argue this all day long but like I said earlier, I'm not blaming the other guy, I'm just saying that he may have had some other options. I think that both parties did what they felt was appropriate for the situation that was presented to them.

Not to many people on here have open minds or seem to have the concern to keep an open mind.

[ForceFed4g63]

We don't have to agree, that's okay. All I'm saying is that the officers didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, I'm just saying he may have had some other options. It's in an unfortunate situation all the way around. We are definitely going to disagree on your two points where you said the cops did two things wrong. They did not knock on the wrong door. They were looking for somebody, and that might require knocking on multiple doors- and like I said earlier, only one of those doors is going to be the right door. That's just part of looking for somebody. It's kind of like fishing. You might cast a hundred times and only catch one fish but you have to make those hundred cast to catch a fish. They also were not wrong for not "announcing" themselves. It would not be normal to knock on the door and be yelling "police" at the same time unless you plan on entering the house. Normally you would knock, the person would ask who it is, and you would answer "police". Then again, I'm just playing devils advocate so I could be completely off-base. :bigthumb: however, I have watched a few COPS marathons on TV.



We can argue this all day long but like I said earlier, I'm not blaming the other guy, I'm just saying that he may have had some other options. I think that both parties did what they felt was appropriate for the situation that was presented to them.


Fair enough, I think we can chalk it up to one of those unfortunate accidents that do happen every once in a while. There might have been some high crime in the area, thus why the guy was so jumpy and had a gun. I blame it on the real criminals.

[1iron]

Not to many people on here have open minds or seem to have the concern to keep an open mind.

Maybe the dead guy had an open mind.

[WWhittle]

Fair enough, I think we can chalk it up to one of those unfortunate accidents that do happen every once in a while. There might have been some high crime in the area, thus why the guy was so jumpy and had a gun. I blame it on the real criminals.

Well he did have an attempted murderer in the same building so maybe you are right! Lol..:cheers

[1iron]

We don't have to agree, that's okay. All I'm saying is that the officers didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, I'm just saying he may have had some other options. It's in an unfortunate situation all the way around. We are definitely going to disagree on your two points where you said the cops did two things wrong. They did not knock on the wrong door. They were looking for somebody, and that might require knocking on multiple doors- and like I said earlier, only one of those doors is going to be the right door. That's just part of looking for somebody. It's kind of like fishing. You might cast a hundred times and only catch one fish but you have to make those hundred cast to catch a fish. They also were not wrong for not "announcing" themselves. It would not be normal to knock on the door and be yelling "police" at the same time unless you plan on entering the house. Normally you would knock, the person would ask who it is, and you would answer "police". Then again, I'm just playing devils advocate so I could be completely off-base. :bigthumb: however, I have watched a few COPS marathons on TV.



I mean really? Is the best you can come up with is that the cops lied? I mean seriously- do you really believe that the best answer to this is that the cops lied? His life was not in danger until he chose to open the door with a gun pointed at whoever was on the other side. It doesn't matter if it's the police, or if it's an intruder, or who it is- when you make the choice to point a gun at somebody you better be prepared for what happens next. If you truly are in fear for your life, why would you even open the door? I hate to say it, but I think it's probably more likely that this guy thought he was Billy badass with a pistol that he had just acquired from a friend, opened the door like a tough guy, and found out the hard way that you don't point a pistol at a police officer.



We can argue this all day long but like I said earlier, I'm not blaming the other guy, I'm just saying that he may have had some other options. I think that both parties did what they felt was appropriate for the situation that was presented to them.

You are taking the Cops word in this. Did the cops have there guns drawn when the door opened? Seems likely. I find it hard to find no fault in a situation where a guy is killed in his house by someone at his door at 1:30 in the morning.

If this was someone other than the police, how would you feel?

[WWhittle]

You are taking the Cops word in this. Did the cops have there guns drawn when the door opened? Seems likely. I find it hard to find no fault in a situation where a guy is killed in his house by someone at his door at 1:30 in the morning.

If this was someone other than the police, how would you feel?

Well I'm really not sure how many times I can say the same thing over and over again. Like I've said multiple times in this thread, "based on the information that we have."

I'm basing my opinion on "the information that we have." Y'all are the ones interjecting all the what-ifs. What if the cops were lying. What if the cops are pointing their guns at him. What if the front porch bulb was burnt out and he couldn't see. What if he didn't have any windows on the front of his house. What if what if what if what if. Not one time have not said anything that involves a what if.

And I think I've already made it pretty clear what my opinion would be no matter who was on the other side of the door. Whether it's the police, an intruder, your mama, anybody, I would say that opening the door with a gun pointed at whoever is on the other side is a bad choice. If you are truly in that much fear for your life, then the stupidest thing you could possibly do is open your door. I think Gerald probably gave the best advice on how to deal with that situation if you really think that you are in danger.

I personally think that this dumbass was just a little too aggressive with his gun that his friend had just given him "for his protection."

[chrisheltra]

If you fear for your life dont open the door shoot through it. lol

[Harry]

Maybe the dead guy had an open mind.

Could be. But blindly acting without thinking is stupid and apperantly deadly.

[adamcs]

Well I'm really not sure how many times I can say the same thing over and over again. Like I've said multiple times in this thread, "based on the information that we have."

I'm basing my opinion on "the information that we have." Y'all are the ones interjecting all the what-ifs. What if the cops were lying. What if the cops are pointing their guns at him. What if the front porch bulb was burnt out and he couldn't see. What if he didn't have any windows on the front of his house. What if what if what if what if. Not one time have not said anything that involves a what if.

And I think I've already made it pretty clear what my opinion would be no matter who was on the other side of the door. Whether it's the police, an intruder, your mama, anybody, I would say that opening the door with a gun pointed at whoever is on the other side is a bad choice. If you are truly in that much fear for your life, then the stupidest thing you could possibly do is open your door. I think Gerald probably gave the best advice on how to deal with that situation if you really think that you are in danger.

I personally think that this dumbass was just a little too aggressive with his gun that his friend had just given him "for his protection."

What if aliens actually landed and killed the guy and the cops didnt do anything at all but they said they did it because to aliens did some mind trick on the cops to make them think they really did.

[Harry]

What if aliens actually landed and killed the guy and the cops didnt do anything at all but they said they did it because to aliens did some mind trick on the cops to make them think they really did.

Rep For You!!!

[chrisheltra]

What if the guy on the inside was also a cop?

[adamcs]

What if the guy on the inside was also a cop?

or maybe the guy inside was a secret agent gone rogue and the cops were really other agents that were sent to kill him and this is all some sort of government cover up.

[Harry]

What if the guy on the inside was also a cop?

Then this would not have happened.

[ForceFed4g63]

Then this would not have happened.

Now that's just silly...

[Harry]

Now that's just silly...

Ya, I know, A cop wouldn't have had that kinda for thought. What was I thinking.

[ForceFed4g63]

Ya, I know, A cop wouldn't have had that kinda for thought. What was I thinking.

Usually I agree with you but seriously, that statement is ridiculous, especially since you don't know all the details.

[Harry]

Usually I agree with you but seriously, that statement is ridiculous, especially since you don't know all the details.

Ok, The details is that someone was knocking on the door. A-Check to See who it may be B-Ask who it is C-Don't aswer the door D- OPen the Door with a gun in your hand E- OPen the Door with a gun in your hand and then point it at Whomever is Standing there. I agree all the details aren't there, and the media is going to give the public what they want them to have and spin the story how they want to. But, If you just take the action of someone knocking on your door and look at it with nothing else involved, It doesn't make sense.

[Illusions]

I think the cops profiled him as a white redneck with a gun. where is Jesse and Al when we need them. Is there a collection site setup for the memorial yet? Were any of the cops that did the shooting Black? we can claim the shooting was racially motivated too. The cops had the right to shoot the guy at the door since they were "Standing their ground"

The only reason this story made the headlines was because a white guy answered his front door at 1:30 AM with a gun. This will further the anti-gun activists agenda and flood the news with more anti-gun publicity.

[2001hawk]

We don't have to agree, that's okay. All I'm saying is that the officers didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying it was the guys fault, I'm just saying he may have had some other options. It's in an unfortunate situation all the way around. We are definitely going to disagree on your two points where you said the cops did two things wrong. They did not knock on the wrong door. They were looking for somebody, and that might require knocking on multiple doors- and like I said earlier, only one of those doors is going to be the right door. That's just part of looking for somebody. It's kind of like fishing. You might cast a hundred times and only catch one fish but you have to make those hundred cast to catch a fish. They also were not wrong for not "announcing" themselves. It would not be normal to knock on the door and be yelling "police" at the same time unless you plan on entering the house. Normally you would knock, the person would ask who it is, and you would answer "police". Then again, I'm just playing devils advocate so I could be completely off-base. :bigthumb: however, I have watched a few COPS marathons on TV.



I mean really? Is the best you can come up with is that the cops lied? I mean seriously- do you really believe that the best answer to this is that the cops lied? His life was not in danger until he chose to open the door with a gun pointed at whoever was on the other side. It doesn't matter if it's the police, or if it's an intruder, or who it is- when you make the choice to point a gun at somebody you better be prepared for what happens next. If you truly are in fear for your life, why would you even open the door? I hate to say it, but I think it's probably more likely that this guy thought he was Billy badass with a pistol that he had just acquired from a friend, opened the door like a tough guy, and found out the hard way that you don't point a pistol at a police officer.



We can argue this all day long but like I said earlier, I'm not blaming the other guy, I'm just saying that he may have had some other options. I think that both parties did what they felt was appropriate for the situation that was presented to them.

Yes but did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. LOL.

[///Mcompact]

So, He was killed, but his life wasn't in danger? Seems to me that he was within his rights to have a gun in his house. Of course the cops say he pointed it at them. Cops lie. Been there seen that.

+1000

"pointed at them" my ass.

I didn't bother reading the rest of this page.

I'd bet my left testicle (worth 45$ on the Thai market) that the dude answering the door had his handgun at an 8:oclock position and the trigger-happy cops freaked-out.

If they had just owned-up to their fuck-up...cool. A serious suspension, apology to the family/community and learn from your mistake. I just have problem with the constant BS PR cover-up that follows all of these fuck-ups.

Integrity...something I think that has dwindled since the 80's.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

What if the guy on the inside was also a cop?

Then we'd have a dead cop our hands. Cop killers!

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Like when the cops on tv are chasing a caprice with their crown vics and the caprice is just plain out driving the cops and the commentator says the police cars are "no match for the high powered sedan" lmao. No, fuckers cant drive. Or when the guy wrecks his car on his own and they say the cops planned it that way or that they pulled athe pit manuever and werent even close to the guy. I really cant stomach those shows....

[shdw on th sun]

Maybe the dead guy had an open mind.

He does now!










Haaaaaaaaaa....... I'll see myself out

[ShawnBoyMoody]

He does now!










Haaaaaaaaaa....... I'll see myself out

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