Just curious. How long does your average stock clutch last?

[chrisheltra]

Please tell me they last longer than 25k miles or longer than a set of tires.

[Matts94Z28]

Built Ford tough.

[WTFWSAT]

I think i had about 60k on my cobras original clutch. Ended up smoking it when i put slicks on it.

[schardbody]

depends on the driver!

[BigdaddyDupree]

I think i had about 60k on my cobras original clutch. Ended up smoking it when i put slicks on it with the whipple and both kits.

fixed

[03SVTCOBRA]

55k on my stock cobra clutch also and it looked damn near brand new. Probably could have re-used it.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

55k on my stock cobra clutch also and it looked damn near brand new. Probably could have re-used it.

Should have gave it to Dwiggins.

[03SVTCOBRA]

Roll racin, good for the heart and clutch.

[FRDnemesis]

depends on the driver!


^^^More than any other factor!

[Sean]

Hwy or city driving matters too.

sent from my toilet phone

[chrisheltra]

Heres the deal copied and pasted a post I made on another forum:

Im having sever gear grinding everytime I shift into 3rd gear. The dealer tells me there is a SSM (whatever that is) for this issue. They told me the causes are either a backed out bolt or a worn out clutch. There telling me a new clutch install is $1500 . Ive had this car in the shop twice now for similar issues and they told me everything was fine. The last time was 3 months ago. I know there going to tell me its the clutch no matter what the issue is so they can make some money.

[FRDnemesis]

Well, at least you know what expect; because I guarantee you are right on what their prognosis is going to be!

How many miles are on the car?
What does the clutch fluid look like?
Is the shifting issue at ALL rpms?

[chrisheltra]

How many miles are on the car?

25-28k

What does the clutch fluid look like?

Not sure its a sealed trans.

Is the shifting issue at ALL rpms?

It will do it at any rpm.

[FRDnemesis]

25-28k



Not sure its a sealed trans.



It will do it at any rpm.


You don't have a clutch fluid reservoir under your hood?

[94zson]

Well, at least you know what expect; because I guarantee you are right on what their prognosis is going to be!

How many miles are on the car?
What does the clutch fluid look like?
Is the shifting issue at ALL rpms?

Fucked is the official prognosis!!!

[98z-28camaro]

You don't have a clutch fluid reservoir under your hood?

:hysterical: its sealed no clutch fluid dipstick.....jk....ill stop.....clutch life really just in the way the car has been driven......

[Mach Killer]

I had around 125k on my stock mustang clutch

[gearmesh, inc.]

Not a Mustang, but I got 135k on my Dodge Cummins clutch with 750ft/lbs in front of it. Still going strong.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

I can haz?

[snakeplissken]

Good thing you didn't mod it and give them something to hang their hat on.

[chrisheltra]

Good thing you didn't mod it and give them something to hang their hat on.

Do I have any legal recourse if their prognosis isnt favorable to me?

[FRDnemesis]

:hysterical: its sealed no clutch fluid dipstick.....jk....ill stop.....clutch life really just in the way the car has been driven......



Who the fk said anything about a dipstick? Go back to sleep new guy (See thumbnail before doing so).


Chris apparently from what I just read:
Just wanted to add my experience to the mix. I have a 2011 GT, manual, 3.73s, Brembos, about 1,000 miles now. I was experiencing rough shifting from 1-2 and 2-3, much much worse during cold (below ~40 degrees) weather but still rough / grinding slightly at all temperatures. The car shifts much better after warm up, but there is a definite "catch" / grind feeling at the shifter when going 1-2 and 2-3.

I also find the car very hard to engage / launch smoothly in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears, like there is very little modulation in the clutch. Problem is not as bad at higher (2,000+) RPMs, and not an issue in 4th, 5th, 6th gears.

I brought it in to my dealer this week and they did the trans fluid swap and recommended replacing / retightening the pressure plate bolts. My dealer was aware of the fluid problem and brought that up to me over the phone, and also was the one to suggest the pressure plate bolts.

The bolts are on order and should be in on Monday and the fluid was done already. I have the car today and over the weekend and am taking it back in on Monday for the bolts.

There is a noticeable improvement in the shifting with the new fluid but it does still grind during 1-2 and 2-3 shifts. I'll let you all know how it feels after the bolts are done. So far the service dept. has been good to work with, no complaints.

[Darryl Buckner]

I put 4 in jeffs cobra before finally going with a DFX and calling it a day. His slider keys in the transmission were eat up causing it to grind in third. Sometimes had to keep your hand on the shifter or it would pop out of gear. Had gerald put in some billet keys and problem solved

[BigdaddyDupree]

shouldnt that be under warranty?

[snakeplissken]

Do I have any legal recourse if their prognosis isnt favorable to me?

Depend on the diagnosis. Clutch/pp are wear items.

[1998ta__1991rs]

shouldnt that be under warranty?

A clutch isn't. It's a wear item like tires and brake pads

[LadyInRed]

Mine's at 42k and still working fine.

[94zson]

After some extensive research, it supposed to last until it blows out

[GreebeanZ28]

A friend of mine had to take his 5.H0 to the dealer to have the pressure plate bolts replaced or re-torqued or something. His stuff was grinding on gear changes and what not. Clutch also stuck to the floor with only like 400 miles on it at the track as well.

[snakeplissken]

If the pp bolts backed out and caused premature clutch failure I would argue that Ford should cover it. Doubt they will but it's worth a shot, especially if there is a TSB.

[Shane361]

Roll racin, good for the heart and clutch.

Still painful on the cluth. With 476/481 after racing a Supra my clutch wouldn't let me go into gear easily till it cooled down. Glad I threw a twin disc in. :razz:

[jmd]

Built Ford tough.

:applaud: rep for you sir.

[Illusions]

did Ford lay off the guy at the factory that torqued the pressure plate bolts? Or do they skip that procedure to save money. :)

[Darryl Buckner]

If the pp bolts backed out and caused premature clutch failure I would argue that Ford should cover it. Doubt they will but it's worth a shot, especially if there is a TSB.

This is true, but I bet the Ford dealer will tell you something else, and not that the pp bolts backed out, so you will have to pay..:bigthumb:

[RoadconeTuning]

A friend of mine had to take his 5.H0 to the dealer to have the pressure plate bolts replaced or re-torqued or something. His stuff was grinding on gear changes and what not. Clutch also stuck to the floor with only like 400 miles on it at the track as well.

Supposedly there is a recall on the pressure plate itself plus new bolts IIRC. When I drove it the other night the clutch definately felt weak compared to when i drove it with less than 500 miles on it. Hendo is supposed to get a rebuild on his whole trans soon, when he tried last time the trans guy quit that dealer lol.

the pedal sticking to the floor, on the 11+ cars, seems to be fixed by switching to the GT500 pedal assembly, it has a stronger return spring and some other slight design changes supposedly.

All internet hearsay tho...

[chrisheltra]

Talked to the dealer today and they said the pressure plate bolts had backed out and cause some internal damage (syncros, bearing, seals and other various items). All of it is being covered under warranty.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Can I buy it when you get it back?

[chrisheltra]

Can I buy it when you get it back?

The pressure plate?

[ShawnBoyMoody]

No the whole car. Should be good as new now.

[snakeplissken]

Talked to the dealer today and they said the pressure plate bolts had backed out and cause some internal damage (syncros, bearing, seals and other various items). All of it is being covered under warranty.

Good news. :bigthumb:

[Darryl Buckner]

Cool.

[chrisheltra]

No the whole car. Should be good as new now.

Yeah I know. Im gonna start choppin off heads now.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Hoe snaps

[FRDnemesis]

Talked to the dealer today and they said the pressure plate bolts had backed out and cause some internal damage (syncros, bearing, seals and other various items). All of it is being covered under warranty.


Wow, great news! Seems like this is an epidemic with the new 5.0's. It's all over the net but Ford hasn't issued a TSB for it. They are doing it by attrition.

[LXtasy]

Is it cheaper to replace those parts under warranty instead of using loctite at the factory? Or has ford never used bolts on a pressure plate before? *all rhetorical of course*

[MARTYROBBINS]

Talked to the dealer today and they said the pressure plate bolts had backed out and cause some internal damage (syncros, bearing, seals and other various items). All of it is being covered under warranty.

I may just be a retard but how is it that pressure plate bolts could have damaged just the 3rd gear syncro inside the trans could see the front seal but just one syncro ?

[chrisheltra]

I may just be a retard but how is it that pressure plate bolts could have damaged just the 3rd gear syncro inside the trans could see the front seal but just one syncro ?

It damaged other syncros as well. 3rd was just the one I mentioned. :cheers

[MARTYROBBINS]

ok i was wondering

[gearmesh, inc.]

When a pressure plate can't release enough, the blocker rings catch hell in the trans to try to keep matching the speed of the next gear to the output shaft. Most pressure plates when new only travel about .060" from clamped to full release. If the pressure plate bolts back off just .030", half the travel is gone and not enough engine torque is removed from the input shaft to let the blocking rings do their job efficiently. Grinding is soon to follow.

[chrisheltra]

When a pressure plate can't release enough, the blocker rings catch hell in the trans to try to keep matching the speed of the next gear to the output shaft. Most pressure plates when new only travel about .060" from clamped to full release. If the pressure plate bolts back off just .030", half the travel is gone and not enough engine torque is removed from the input shaft to let the blocking rings do their job efficiently. Grinding is soon to follow.

This is my third time having it in for gear grinding. The two first times I took it to Jones. The first time they told me it was normal. The second time I called the regional customer service manager and talked to the dealer service manager in person. They both told me that my aftermarket floor mats were the culprit.

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http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii342/chrisheltra/ED7F288B-F744-43FA-9925-98C0CF5D8035-1239-00000109139CF4BA.jpg

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Needless to say this type of service and lackadaisical attitude coupled with the type of issues Ive had in the past with them with the Lightning will result in their service department losing my business.

So far Summerville Ford and their trans tech Chris have taken care of me.

[LXtasy]

Ahhh, the ole "must be your floormats" issue. Love it

[chrisheltra]

Ahhh, the ole "must be your floormats" issue. Love it

They said "The floor mats were very thick and causing interference in the pedal travel." They also said "They noticed the issue with the floor mat installed but all was operating normally after they removed the floor mat."

When I asked the manager to come look at it and showed him that it was impossible for that to be the cause he told me to "Push the pedal harder." It was then and there I decided I wasnt going to bring the car back to a dealer until the bitch was broken.

[ForceFed4g63]

F the dealer, mod the bitch!

[chrisheltra]

F the dealer, mod the bitch!

If I thought that way Id be paying for a very expensive trans rebuild out of pocket.

[ForceFed4g63]

If I thought that way Id be paying for a very expensive trans rebuild out of pocket.

I'm just playing lol. But in all seriousness, time for an auto swap and twin turbo kit.

[chrisheltra]

I'm just playing lol. But in all seriousness, time for an auto swap and twin turbo kit.

You buyin?

Give me your social and bank account number.

[ForceFed4g63]

You buyin?

Give me your social and bank account number.

Lol, you'd be sorely disappointed.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Ready to buy.

[chrisheltra]

Ready to buy.

You have 25k or anything for collateral? :mrgreen:

[ShawnBoyMoody]

I have impeccable credit lol. More credit than I can afford actually.

[chrisheltra]

Got the car back today after 3 weeks of it being at the dealer. After a complete rebuild, new clutch, flywheel and pressure plate it seems much better now than it did before. Still has a little nibble when going in some gears. Unfortunately it has to go back because the check engine light came on due to a cylinder #1 misfire today after I picked it up. Ugh

[ForceFed4g63]

Does it feel better than when you first got it? I bet you're glad you didn't mod it lol.

[chrisheltra]

Does it feel better than when you first got it? I bet you're glad you didn't mod it lol.

It feels different. Gonna have to relearn the clutch travel. Still not sure how well it will shift when driving it hard. Figured I'd take it easy on the new parts for a few days.