Dyno day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DolSVT00]

05/02/09 @ ShowZone on Ladson RD

[08 Racecraft]

'll be there to see what my racecrap will do:hysterical:

[chrisheltra]

Im down.

[LXtasy]

I might have my heap back together by than :(

[98Camarod]

I'm missing the dyno day this weekend, I'll make this one.

[chrisheltra]

Make a list Randy!

[bgstew6]

just up the street from me...Im still in SoCal:(

[DolSVT00]

just up the street from me...Im still in SoCal:(

word!

[seagle58]

I'm planning to attend, curious.:roll:

[Illusions]

I'll be there to watch and BS. :D

[bgstew6]

ME 2 :) I can bullshit pretty good....not as good as Randy though

[chrisheltra]

I wonder if anybody will actually get on the dyno this time.

[DolSVT00]

I wonder if anybody will actually get on the dyno this time.

Can Garuntee it will be less, this dyno scares little boys into hiding.

[clubracergt1]

Mustang dynos do have a habit of frightening the guys just looking for big numbers. I may be game, if my mod is done in time.

[Illusions]

Can Garuntee it will be less, this dyno scares little boys into hiding.

My truck barely has enough power to turn the rollers on a dynojet. :) If I brought it out to that Dyno there would probably be a puddle under it when I moved it because it would piss on itself...

[SLOWGREEN73]

The mustang dyno is the only one i have used I dynoed both my Z28's at the show zone.

[formgen]

I might bring my AWD car to this one.

[minytrker]

Mustang dynos do have a habit of frightening the guys just looking for big numbers. I may be game, if my mod is done in time.

They also have a habbit of not producing the same dyno numbers all the time. The operator of a mustang dyno can mess with to much to control the numbers. A dynojet can load a car just like a mustang dyno.

[wsa111]

What is the difference in % comparing the dyno-jet to the mustang dyno.

Second is anyone going to open a business using the dyno from LS1 tuning???

Changing dyno's is like apples & oranges.

I wish i could have made it to bowman, but i had some kind of flu or stomach virus for the entire week. ONK-ONK i hope not. Bill:boohoo:

[LXtasy]

SWINE FLU! AHHHHHHHHHHH

Bowman was a freakin blast.

[chrisheltra]

SWINE FLU! AHHHHHHHHHHH

Bowman was a freakin blast.

It sure was! Where are your vids Jr? Ive been waiting for days.

[LXtasy]

I didn't get that many. I have to finish doing the rest. I don't think I got any of yours. I will see. Been too busy. Finally starting back to work tomorrow so I have been doing odds and end stuff.

[chrisheltra]

I didn't get that many. I have to finish doing the rest. I don't think I got any of yours. I will see. Been too busy. Finally starting back to work tomorrow so I have been doing odds and end stuff.

N/P:bigthumb:

[98Camarod]

I won't be making this unless I find some good electric fans so I can drive the car there.

[LXtasy]

ls1 fans aren't good enough?

[98Camarod]

ls1 fans aren't good enough?

They probably would work, but I have 12" pushers that aren't keepin it cool. Thats why I had to trailer it to the rental.

[LXtasy]

what are the cfm's on those fans? what radiator are you running? what water pump?

[minytrker]

What is the difference in % comparing the dyno-jet to the mustang dyno.

Second is anyone going to open a business using the dyno from LS1 tuning???

Changing dyno's is like apples & oranges.

I wish i could have made it to bowman, but i had some kind of flu or stomach virus for the entire week. ONK-ONK i hope not. Bill:boohoo:

Yes, a new shop bought my dyno here in the area. They should be up and running in June or so.

[98Camarod]

what are the cfm's on those fans? what radiator are you running? what water pump?

Supposed to be 2200cfm a piece, griffin radiator, stock water pump

[LXtasy]

Is your radiator completely sealed on the side your fans are located except where the fans are mounted? that could help cool you down alittle bit better as well. Is your exhaust wrapped? Underhood temps could also be apart of your cooling issues as well. What is your a/f?

[98Camarod]

Is your radiator completely sealed on the side your fans are located except where the fans are mounted? that could help cool you down alittle bit better as well. Is your exhaust wrapped? Underhood temps could also be apart of your cooling issues as well. What is your a/f?

All the hot parts are wrapped, I have a turbo blanket, afr is 14.7-15 part throttle, idle, and cruising, its 11.4-11.6 WOT.

I have them as pusher fans so that would restrict the cooling if I blocked them off. The fans just don't blow enough air.

[LXtasy]

are they a 2 speed fan? Can you have them as pullers?

What I was meaning was doing something like this . It might help

http://currentperformance.com/Swap_Parts/Rad/SBC_Rad_Fans.jpg

[98Camarod]

I didn't even try to fit the fans on the engine side due to the turbo. There is room on the passenger side, but not the driver side.

[LXtasy]

try a staggered maybe. One pusher and one puller. Anything is better than what you have right now correct?

[DolSVT00]

Anybody coming to this tomorrow, I plan on attending.,.

[bgstew6]

what time you rolling Randy.....I will head up there like I said to BS and hang out

[clubracergt1]

Maybe. All depends on if I get my maintenance take care of today, or not.

[WTFWSAT]

Did anyone attend this?

[Illusions]

i attended it and so did a few others.

[Mike]

Did anyone attend this?

I think that their dyno hurt some peoples feeling. :hysterical: ...so no one wants to post their numbers. Mine were just above 500 to the wheels.

I was down about 10% compared to a DynoJet, I plan on going back to ShowZone, becuase of the real-world data you get from being on their dyno as opposed to a dyno jet. Nothing like a 10 second dyno pull, to see how high your aftercharge temps get.

[clubracergt1]

That's why many of the bigger shops use Mustang Dynos

[chrisheltra]

I went and had a great time. Im still anticipating the vids *hint hint*


I think that their dyno hurt some peoples feeling. :hysterical: ...so no one wants to post their numbers. Mine were just above 500 to the wheels.

Not this guy I even updated my sig to reflect the new numbers.:hysterical:

[DolSVT00]

What is the difference in % comparing the dyno-jet to the mustang dyno.

Second is anyone going to open a business using the dyno from LS1 tuning???

Changing dyno's is like apples & oranges.

I wish i could have made it to bowman, but i had some kind of flu or stomach virus for the entire week. ONK-ONK i hope not. Bill:boohoo:

I believe Mikes post below sum's it up well.

I think that their dyno hurt some peoples feeling. :hysterical: ...so no one wants to post their numbers. Mine were just above 500 to the wheels.

I was down about 10% compared to a DynoJet, I plan on going back to ShowZone, becuase of the real-world data you get from being on their dyno as opposed to a dyno jet. Nothing like a 10 second dyno pull, to see how high your aftercharge temps get.

I didn't post my numbers because they were less than the last time I ran on the dyno 418/537 on 10* of timing and 7 cyl's ( thanks Chris and Stew for noticing the Miss) I found out one of my coil packs was bad (I had been trying to tighten up the gap because of a noticeable miss).

Tightening the gap up made the miss less noticeable, but it was noticed by cyclic puffÔÇÖs in my exhaust by Chris and Stew. I pulled them all and had Mike Ohm them, we found one that was slightly different than the rest (very slightly), I switched it out and had my brother follow me lastnite and it seemÔÇÖs to have fixed the problem.

[chrisheltra]

Good deal Im glad you have that all sorted out.

[Illusions]

ok my slow pig only put down 304/411tq with what turns out to be about a 75 shot of the gigglie gas. i only lost 5 hp and tq from a dynojet at LS1powertuning to showzones. It pulled a 248hp/278tq n/a. I still have a lot of work to do. She's still pig rich.

[bgstew6]

I didn't post my numbers because they were less than the last time I ran on the dyno 418/537 on 10* of timing and 7 cyl's ( thanks Chris and Stew for noticing the Miss) I found out one of my coil packs was bad (I had been trying to tighten up the gap because of a noticeable miss).

Tightening the gap up made the miss less noticeable, but it was noticed by cyclic puff’s in my exhaust by Chris and Stew. I pulled them all and had Mike Ohm them, we found one that was slightly different than the rest (very slightly), I switched it out and had my brother follow me lastnite and it seem’s to have fixed the problem.

I told ya brother man....I waws pretty damn sure it was a failing CP...but not 100% Glad to see ya got it sorted out brother..!

Yeah it was good times and watching the Ego Smasher in action taking its tolls on everyones ride....Randdy wasnt bullshiting when he said that Dyno woudl make Baby Jesus Cry LOL....Great meeting all you guys out there that showed!

[Matts94Z28]

ok my slow pig only put down 304/411tq with what turns out to be about a 75 shot of the gigglie gas. i only lost 5 hp and tq from a dynojet at LS1powertuning to showzones. It pulled a 248hp/278tq n/a. I still have a lot of work to do. She's still pig rich.


nice!

[LXtasy]

Will start editing videos and all tonight. Unless someone aka randy or mike wants me to burn everything to a cd and give to them to play with. I just got home and am tired as all hell right now.

[Pesce Nero]

I went and had a great time. Im still anticipating the vids *hint hint*




Not this guy I even updated my sig to reflect the new numbers.:hysterical:

chris, i plugged your numbers into the wallace racing calc, i used 4600 as the weight and this is what it says



Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 490.60 flywheel HP and 441.54 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 470.74 flywheel HP and 423.666 rear wheel HP.

what did the 2 different dyno's you have been on say?

[chrisheltra]

chris, i plugged your numbers into the wallace racing calc, i used 4600 as the weight and this is what it says



Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 490.60 flywheel HP and 441.54 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 470.74 flywheel HP and 423.666 rear wheel HP.

what did the 2 different dyno's you have been on say?

Ive been on 4 different dynos two mustang and two dyno jets.

mustang dynos read
433 and 522
380 and 456

dyno jets read
42X and 51X
42X and 51X

Also the weight of the truck is probably closer to 4800-5000 pounds which would increase the number on the calculations. As long as I run what I normally do at the strip and do it consistently Im happy.

[Pesce Nero]

4900lbs. i was just curious since i know you have been on at least 2

Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 522.60 flywheel HP and 470.34 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 501.44 flywheel HP and 451.296 rear wheel HP.

[DolSVT00]

On my old stock block at the track I usually ran 7.6ish in the 1/8
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/downloads1/newbest1.jpg

or 12.10 in the 1/4 http://mywebpages.comcast.net/downloads1/quatermile.jpg

Here is what the truck made back then http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rsmith1/dyno.jpg
Look at the dates (the numbers were from over a year ago) and calculate that. BTW I made 502/575 on a dynojet at the begining of this year......... And its 2/10ths faster than it used to be now.

[Pesce Nero]

4700lb 7.62 at 92

Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 537.63 flywheel HP and 483.867 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 568.75 flywheel HP and 511.875 rear wheel HP.

[Pesce Nero]

4700 12.10 at 109



Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 430.66 rear wheel HP and 478.51 flywheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 427.54 rear wheel HP and 475.04 flywheel HP.

[minytrker]

That's why many of the bigger shops use Mustang Dynos

The industry standard is a dyno jet. All major performance companies (banks, k&n, magnaflow, flowmaster and the list goes on) use dynojets and most race shops. They also have the eddycurrent brake add on just like a mustang dyno uses. Mustang dyno's are just known more for having the brake because most shops including myself didnt want to spend another $15k to have the eddy current brake add on, the $30k for the dyno was bad enough. 99% of the shops I know of or deal with all use dynojets. It may be differnt in the ford world. There are 4 dynojets here in Charleston and only one has the brake.

[Pesce Nero]

The industry standard is a dyno jet. All major performance companies (banks, k&n, magnaflow, flowmaster and the list goes on) use dynojets and most race shops. They also have the eddycurrent brake add on just like a mustang dyno uses. Mustang dyno's are just known more for having the brake because most shops including myself didnt want to spend another $15k to have the eddy current brake add on, the $30k for the dyno was bad enough. 99% of the shops I know of or deal with all use dynojets. It may be differnt in the ford world. There are 4 dynojets here in Charleston and only one has the brake.

dont confuse the issue with facts

[DolSVT00]

The industry standard is a dyno jet. All major performance companies (banks, k&n, magnaflow, flowmaster and the list goes on).

That explains why K& N, Banks, Magnaflow, flowmaster and the rest of em advertize gains through the use of their products but yet you gain nothing on 90% of it.

They must test Octane boosters on them too...............

[clubracergt1]

I stand corrected.

[jmd]

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77763&d=1204248246


these are my old numbers when i had the procharger and the old engine on a mustang dyno with eddy current. the showzone dyno reads low even for a mustang dyno. mine was not done on the showzone dyno.

[chrisheltra]

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77763&d=1204248246


these are my old numbers when i had the procharger on a mustang dyno with eddy current. they will hurt your feelings.

Yeah I can see why youd be disappointed. :roll:

[DolSVT00]

Yeah I can see why youd be disappointed. :roll:

Heck Chris you made better numbers on a mustang dyno than you did on a dynojet........ Not all dyno's are created equal, and all of them are printer bullshit generators.

Track numbers FTMFW...................... :Finger2:

[DolSVT00]

Baby jesus cries when he see's this http://www.mustangdyne.com/MDAWD500DE.htm

[05Saleen]

What happened to the old fashioned butt dyno? :hysterical: :poke:

[chrisheltra]

What happened to the old fashioned butt dyno? :hysterical: :poke:

Is this the one your referring to?

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=41&zenid=026637ad767c0121c05e6b6238f4bea3

:hysterical:

Good price too.

[jmd]

Yeah I can see why youd be disappointed. :roll:

only reason i posted it was because that engine set up is gone now. i lost the original engine on the showzone dyno. i know that dyno well.

[Pesce Nero]

Heck Chris you made better numbers on a mustang dyno than you did on a dynojet........ Not all dyno's are created equal, and all of them are printer bullshit generators.

Track numbers FTMFW...................... :Finger2:


pardon me for being stupid, but i see Chris' numbers on 2 different dynojets being very close yet his number on 2 different mustangs are on the far ends of the spectrum.

i'm a little confused about why your so proud of the show zones dyno that seems to spit out low/not correct numbers.

[DolSVT00]

pardon me for being stupid, but i see Chris' numbers on 2 different dynojets being very close yet his number on 2 different mustangs are on the far ends of the spectrum.

i'm a little confused about why your so proud of the show zones dyno that seems to spit out low/not correct numbers.

What makes you think they are incorrect, because their low? And what makes you think that the dynojet is soo correct, because their high?

Nither mean a bag of shit at the strip.

[Pesce Nero]

What makes you think they are incorrect, because their low? And what makes you think that the dynojet is soo correct, because their high?

Nither mean a bag of shit at the strip.

well because chris has been on 2 mustangs and they are uncapable of producing the same result yet 2 different dynojets produced the same result.

and yes it does matter at the strip, an adjusable chassis will get set up different on a low hp car than a high one. so for example, a guy puts a turbo on his 4 link race car. he dynos it on a dyno that spits out a low number. chassis man sets up a short high IC and takes it to the track and the car drags the back bumper and slams to the ground brealkin everything all because of a dyno that is not calibrated correctly.

[DolSVT00]

well because chris has been on 2 mustangs and they are uncapable of producing the same result yet 2 different dynojets produced the same result.

and yes it does matter at the strip, an adjusable chassis will get set up different on a low hp car than a high one. so for example, a guy puts a turbo on his 4 link race car. he dynos it on a dyno that spits out a low number. chassis man sets up a short high IC and takes it to the track and the car drags the back bumper and slams to the ground brealkin everything all because of a dyno that is not calibrated correctly.

Heres a better scenario, man takes car to dynojet to tune and set air fuel, man makes 2 second pull to red line and gets a great air fuel, man loads up car and takes to track, man makes pass down 1/4 mile where car see's big load, man's motor destroys itself because it went lean from tuning on dynojet with no load. Man has to spend 10,000$ on new motor.

[Pesce Nero]

Heres a better scenario, man takes car to dynojet to tune and set air fuel, man makes 2 second pull to red line and gets a great air fuel, man loads up car and takes to track, man makes pass down 1/4 mile where car see's big load, man's motor destroys itself because it went lean from tuning on dynojet with no load. Man has to spend 10,000$ on new motor.


yes, i can see how that would be important on a turbo car. thats a good point.

[Pesce Nero]

Heres a better scenario, man takes car to dynojet to tune and set air fuel, man makes 2 second pull to red line and gets a great air fuel, man loads up car and takes to track, man makes pass down 1/4 mile where car see's big load, man's motor destroys itself because it went lean from tuning on dynojet with no load. Man has to spend 10,000$ on new motor.

ok, im confused again, will a turbo car build more boost on a mustang dyno than a dynojet?

[DolSVT00]

ok, im confused again, will a turbo car build more boost on a mustang dyno than a dynojet?

No idea, but I would think it would take longer to build peak boost as if it were running at the track because of the resistance put on the drive train by load imposed by an eddy current power absorber.

[chrisheltra]

What hes saying is on every dyno we have been on it was a quick 5 second or better pull. On show zones it is much longer because there is more load. At the track your run is longer than 5 seconds due to the load.

All hes saying is the show zone seems to be much more accurate replicating street/strip load. That doesnt mean the numbers are correct. Remember all a dyno is is a tuning tool and a BS number generator. The latter is much more important.

[DolSVT00]

These are (similarly) powered trucks

Dynojet http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Daryl/2.wmv

Mustang http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Mike/q161.wmv

Take it for what its worth.

[05Saleen]

Is this the one your referring to?

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=41&zenid=026637ad767c0121c05e6b6238f4bea3

:hysterical:

Good price too.

NO Chris. That is not what I was refering too! Funny though!:hysterical:

[LXtasy]

Wow if showzones dyno reads LOWER than the normal mustang dyno. Wonder what numbers really good have been. Hmmmmm :D

[Pesce Nero]

These are (similarly) powered trucks

Dynojet http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Daryl/2.wmv

Mustang http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Mike/q161.wmv

Take it for what its worth.

do you know the et and mph for those trucks?

[DolSVT00]

Wow if showzones dyno reads LOWER than the normal mustang dyno. Wonder what numbers really good have been. Hmmmmm :D

I wouldn't say that it reads lower than a normal mustang dyno or any dyno, if there was any possible way to compare show zones dyno to another dyno I would never compare it to Amazon's mustang dyno it read higher than the dynojet when he was much slower at the track. Its well known that Amazon messes with the numbers so their customers don't walk away dissapointed. Thats a mute point, and a testament to the fact that mustang numbers can be fuged, i will never deny that.

My numbers have alwayse been consistant at show zone and i've made more that 12 pulls there in the last 2 years.

[DolSVT00]

do you know the et and mph for those trucks?

They have them posted, I believe their both around 6.7ish at 102-104 in the 1/8th. I dont think Mike has made it to the 1/4 since he has gotten it running right.

also they both weighed in somewhere around 4700-4800lbs

[Pesce Nero]

They have them posted, I believe their both around 6.7ish at 102-104 in the 1/8th. I dont think Mike has made it to the 1/4 since he has gotten it running right.

also they both weighed in somewhere around 4700-4800lbs

well here is what the wallace calc says
4700 6.70 at 103


Your HP computed from your vehicle ET is 790.91 flywheel HP and 711.819 rear wheel HP.
Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 798.12 flywheel HP and 718.308 rear wheel HP.

most guys say this is very accurate and it has been very accurate for my car

[slow04]

These are (similarly) powered trucks

Dynojet http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Daryl/2.wmv

Mustang http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/Mike/q161.wmv

Take it for what its worth.

I like my:bs: generated numbers better though don't you?:hysterical: but you have to go with the type dyno that our tuners use...that being said...the all wheel mustang dyno is a bitch and keep it the hell away from my truck:shock:

[chrisheltra]

the all wheel mustang dyno is a bitch and keep it the hell away from my truck:shock:

:hysterical:

[AverageJoe]

Second is anyone going to open a business using the dyno from LS1 tuning???






Yes

[AverageJoe]

Lorentz' dyno did not seem to put out inflated numbers, but a loaded dyno will still be better for wot tuning.

[Mike]

HP, TQ, RPM, E.T., MPH, 60', RT are all worthless numbers; the only thing that matters is that the little light in my lane lights up, and the other guy is looking at my big fat black bumper. :twisted:
:hide:

[jmd]

[QUOTE=LXtasy;38237]Wow if showzones dyno reads LOWER than the normal mustang dyno. Wonder what numbers really good have been. Hmmmmm :D[/QUOT

showzone calls their dyno the heartbreaker. they have told me on more than one occasion that it reads lower that 90 % of the mustang dyno's out there. i don't know it that is true but that is what was said to me.

[bgstew6]

[QUOTE=LXtasy;38237]Wow if showzones dyno reads LOWER than the normal mustang dyno. Wonder what numbers really good have been. Hmmmmm :D[/QUOT

showzone calls their dyno the heartbreaker. they have told me on more than one occasion that it reads lower that 90 % of the mustang dyno's out there. i don't know it that is true but that is what was said to me.


AFter seeing that monster put the ass whoopin on ever vehicle that got on her at the Dyno day and what I have seen and experienced in the past I would tend to agree with them.

[LXtasy]

we only lost 5 hp and 5 ft lbs of torque going from lorenz dyno jet to showzone's mustang dyno. only thing that was done different for the all motor pulls was 2 range colder plugs installed and a tight gap on the plugs. That was it. Oh and it being hell hot that day.

[AverageJoe]

I take my car to showzone for tuning because it loads the car. I know a lot of people criticize dynos for having inflated numbers, but there should be equal criticism for shops that are proud of having a dyno that puts out some of the lowest numbers in the country. Showzones dyno is as low as some of the happy dynos are high. Any shop that has a dyno should be most concerned with accuracy, low does not mean accurate. My car made 418hp today at showzone, I'm sure if I drove upstate to JR racing's dyno it would make close to 500. Oh well, I guess I'll have to go to the track to see the real results from my new intake.

[ElecTech]

I like the way the mustang dyno loads an engine. It gives much more accurate engine data more representative of a street or track run.