1989 s15 wont crank......

[BigdaddyDupree]

some of you know some of you don't well i bought hal's truck. it aint the fastest thing in the world but i do love the way it looks. it will be fast before long. trust me. well heres the dilemma i have. he never cranked the motor before i got it for more than a mintue. well now it will crank on its own about 3 times but it turns over slow and then after about the third time it doesent crank any more. but when it does crank it sounds damn good. we basically have it narrowed down to 2 things. the battery or starter. any input or things to try? if no one has n e thing to add ill just try those.


p.s who put the thermostat in this bad boy? haha





o yeah it has 13 volts at battery and after i went to crank it up the fourth time and it wouldnt it was at 12.7. ima load test it tomorrow.

[LXtasy]

Check the ground maybe that is it. Which is under the bed near the passenger side rear tire.


ALSO battery is in the bed FYI. You haven't load tested the battery yet? Like I said yesterday the battery has been sitting for awhile and probably could be dead as the truck just sat most of the time.

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah it had 13 volts when i checked it out today then after a few cranks it only had 12.7 but i have it in the back seat of my car and i am load testing it tomorrow. i cranked it up today and it sounded damn good. got a nice lil chop to it. if it isnt the battery then how old is the starter? ima have to check that next. you dont reckon the motor could be too tight do ya?

[BAD BOB]

most the time 12.7 will be good. its when you get closer to 11 then you got a problem. I would check and make sure you got good grounds and then see what she doo. If that dont help just put a manual trans in it and just push start it!!!!!!:hysterical:

[LXtasy]

yeah it had 13 volts when i checked it out today then after a few cranks it only had 12.7 but i have it in the back seat of my car and i am load testing it tomorrow. i cranked it up today and it sounded damn good. got a nice lil chop to it. if it isnt the battery then how old is the starter? ima have to check that next. you dont reckon the motor could be too tight do ya?

Everything checked out good with the motor. It has less than 2500 miles on it.

Starter's age is undetermined at this time.

Check the ground for the battery and lmk.

[79bluebird]

that was a sad day when i found out it was sold.

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah man i really like the truck were going thursday and putting the seats on it and moving it to suit me. haha. i will check the ground tomorrow but i think it is a starter solenoid problem. once it gets hot it wont start at all. and barely turn over. ill give you a call tomorrow evening hal and let you know what i find

[98Camarod]

Your saying crank and I'm thinking the motor turning over. But you said when it does crank it sounds good.

As for the slow cranking, could need a high torque starter depending on the compression or the batter doesn't have enough cranking amps or combination of the two.

[98Camarod]

yeah man i really like the truck were going thursday and putting the seats on it and moving it to suit me. haha. i will check the ground tomorrow but i think it is a starter solenoid problem. once it gets hot it wont start at all. and barely turn over. ill give you a call tomorrow evening hal and let you know what i find

Had that problem on my big block Chevelle. The header was too close to the starter solenoid. I ended up getting a small high torque starter and all was good.

[BigdaddyDupree]

it will turn over just so slow til there is not way to start. when you first crank it it does fine. ima pull the starter tomorrow and have it checked out. hal do you know the compression of this motor?

[98Camarod]

is there a lot of heat generated near the starter solenoid?

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah pretty much its a s-10 with shorty headers and it is close

[98Camarod]

yeah pretty much its a s-10 with shorty headers and it is close

I'd say you found the problem. Are you able to wrap the exhaust there or atleast put a heat shield around the starter? I know advance sells the heat shield over in the "performance" section

[BigdaddyDupree]

should i still check my started to see if it is good? it might have already hurt the solenoid

[79bluebird]

i wrapped my starter when i put the new mini starter on my s10 with a 355. and i am useing sanderson shortie headers.

[Dave]

some of you know some of you don't well i bought hal's truck. it aint the fastest thing in the world but i do love the way it looks.

:offtopic: but it looks like you are building a nice yard full of trucks, congrats on the purchase. Hal, I'm sorry you had to sell it, but when he gets all the kinks worked out you will be able to see it go down the track:cheers

[BigdaddyDupree]

yea im about to liquidate sum vehicles. ima get the 98 s-10 together and sell it and i think ima sell my k-5

[LXtasy]

Tyler. I am not sure if the ground strap that is on the back of the motor on the passenger side coming off the transmission is hooked up. Check that as well, I woke up this morning and thought of that.

Unsure of the compression of the motor. I know those heads lower the compression so I am unsure of that one. I do not know how to determine that one.

[BigdaddyDupree]

aite hal ill check that when i get home this evening and let u know.

[WWhittle]

If its slow to crank, have you checked the basics yet? Timing and carb adjustments?

[BigdaddyDupree]

its slow to turn over period. i am going to voltage drop the grounds today the battery checked out good though

[BigdaddyDupree]

im just seeing if my new avatar works

[BigdaddyDupree]

i think it does

[LXtasy]

Like I texted you earlier. Check those grounds and you should be good to go.

Also check the fuel pressure on that regulator. Drop it down to around 5 lbs.

[BigdaddyDupree]

ill do it bud. ill holla at u later and let you know

[BigdaddyDupree]

the abttery checked out good. i voltage dropped all the grounds i could find on the truck. all were good. the one ground was unhooked i hooked it back up. same problem. i unhooked the alternator. same problem. so now im 98 percent sure its the starter.

[98Camarod]

the abttery checked out good. i voltage dropped all the grounds i could find on the truck. all were good. the one ground was unhooked i hooked it back up. same problem. i unhooked the alternator. same problem. so now im 98 percent sure its the starter.

Tried to save you all that trouble :bigthumb:

I'd get the mini starter to move the solenoid farther from the header and wrap that jank.

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah im getting a starter from hal tomorrow. its a high torque mini starter. and ima put that one and i also bought a tail gate for the truck. im gettin it done right

[79bluebird]

get the tail gate painted

[LXtasy]

He is Eric. At least someone was able to find a good 1st gen tailgate. lol

[79bluebird]

we need to get you in a sleeper car. maybe a old pontiac with ls motor.

[Matts94Z28]

or a loud ass purple camaro

[LXtasy]

Matt. That the gayness out of it. I.e. purple paint and we might talk.

[Matts94Z28]

It doesn't attract cops though!

[BigdaddyDupree]

good news guys. truck is up and running. it was the starter and it was cracked where the ground strap went from the terminal to the case

[98Camarod]

good to hear. You headin to bowman for the rental saturday?

[BigdaddyDupree]

i might if i dont go run at midway but i will be making a few passes somewhere. trust me

[98Camarod]

i might if i dont go run at midway but i will be making a few passes somewhere. trust me

Its only 15 bucks and 5 for spectators at bowman :bigthumb:

[LXtasy]

he did just buy a truck. His wallet is a tad bit lighter lol

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah my wallet blows right now. ima broke college kid. trying to race and all. its rough

[98Camarod]

yeah my wallet blows right now. ima broke college kid. trying to race and all. its rough

I'm in the Navy, broke as a joke. I can't remember the last time I had any cash in my wallet.

[BigdaddyDupree]

yea i had cash yesterday to order some stuff for a friends truck. spent it though. now im broke again

[LXtasy]

Now that I think about it... I should have charged for that starter .j/k

[BigdaddyDupree]

haha yeah i know. your a good guy. you might needa make a pass in the old s-10 one day just to see how it feels. about a year from now it will be a street driven s-10 with a 408 and a turbo 350 and a 9 inch. high 5 second street truck. but thats a while away

[Illusions]

good news guys. truck is up and running. it was the starter and it was cracked where the ground strap went from the terminal to the case

Damn, so all we had to do was take the new starter out of the drawer of spare parts and it would have started right up... hmmmm, Good to hear everything is running now for you.. i now you'll be able to enjoy it. :cheers

[BigdaddyDupree]

well the problem we thought was fixed isnt at all. we got the seat mounted up today. and drove it down the road and rechecked the timing. and same problem wont turn over fast enough to start but the battery i have is 400 CCA i think i need a bigger one

[98Camarod]

well the problem we thought was fixed isnt at all. we got the seat mounted up today. and drove it down the road and rechecked the timing. and same problem wont turn over fast enough to start but the battery i have is 400 CCA i think i need a bigger one


Did you wrap the starter? How far away is the starter from the header or exhaust?

[BigdaddyDupree]

the starter is wrapped but when we found out we still had the problem we tried a bigger battery and it cranked up. but my battery is good but just not big enough im guessing

[clubracergt1]

Bigger battery definately. Hell, 400cca won't start a Focus, if it's hot. Personally, I would get the most powerful battery that will fit in the box.

[BigdaddyDupree]

i found a 1000 cca that ima get 2day. then fire it off

[LXtasy]

ITs weird because that is the same battery I have always ran. But the battery was in the stock location at that time.

[clubracergt1]

Yeah, probably losing a bit of oomph through the cable from the battery. It's 4 gauge, right? Figured that'd be enough; but guess not.

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah its 4 gauge. and ima get the big battery here n a few and go pick up the truck. wash it up and all. if i can get it to start up and all and the problem quits ima make a hit this weekend with it

[98Camarod]

yeah its 4 gauge. and ima get the big battery here n a few and go pick up the truck. wash it up and all. if i can get it to start up and all and the problem quits ima make a hit this weekend with it

You mean Saturday at Bowman :bigthumb:

[LXtasy]

No he needs to race it Tonight, so I can borrow my old skinnies for tomorrow.

lol

[Illusions]

No he needs to race it Tonight, so I can borrow my old skinnies for tomorrow.

lol

Yes we need the front skinnie since the front is raised up like a 4x4 right now...lol 26" tall tire in the rear with 27's in the front. Shiinies will also lower the front 2 more inches. might not get it on the trailer...lol

[BigdaddyDupree]

how did the a arms do?

[Illusions]

arms are definately good. passenger side was a biatch because the starter is in the way of the bolt. Driverside was a little easier.
they definately get :bigthumb::bigthumb::bigthumb:

They will work great on the black truck. just need to find lowers. ;)

[BigdaddyDupree]

yeah man it cranks good. i just gotta get the carb straightened out hal thinks its the air fuel mixture ima check it n a few

[LXtasy]

Just DO IT! Like I said with that edelbrock there is 2 needle screws up front and last time I adjusted the carb was in the "winter". Not in 80 degree 50%+ humidity

[79bluebird]

put a holley on that junk and junk that e carb.

[LXtasy]

put a holley on that junk and junk that e carb.

That is true too.

[BigdaddyDupree]

adjusted the timing today and it came alive. musts got knocked off. o well runs good now