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red99pony
08-22-2009, 10:19 AM
what do you like better for a track car manual or automatic. street car manual or automatic.

LXtasy
08-22-2009, 10:35 AM
built auto drag race and street doesnt bother me. manual for roll racing and road course and autox. thats me. give me a nicely built auto and i am happy. but i also dont like lifting off the nitrous to shift

Bradleyrj
08-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Street = Manual
Track = Manual.

I dont like paying for someone else to shift gears for me.

BigdaddyDupree
08-22-2009, 10:51 AM
but automatic is hella more consistent

jmd
08-22-2009, 10:53 AM
auto for drag racing. stick for roll racing.

BigdaddyDupree
08-22-2009, 10:56 AM
auto for drag racing. stick for roll racing.


exactly

red99pony
08-22-2009, 10:58 AM
on a street car daily driver i love to shift gears. to me it is much more fun. i have never had a dragstrip car but if i did i think i would go automatic for the continous spary of nos.

05Saleen
08-22-2009, 11:09 AM
Better have a built manual tranny, if you plan on going drag racing!!! Better have a good clutch also....Plan on changing them very frequently.....Drag racing. I alway's prefered automatic's.....Good built auto is very consistant. Don't have to worry about missing a gear.

Roll racing on the street's. Manual tranny has the advantage if you are out of your rpm range for auto's.

LXtasy
08-22-2009, 12:07 PM
go cruise the strip in mb at mustangweek with a stick

05Saleen
08-22-2009, 12:44 PM
go cruise the strip in mb at mustangweek with a stick

Amen brother.....Especially when you follow an Auto doing a speed between first and second gear the whole way.......

Bradleyrj
08-22-2009, 01:18 PM
but automatic is hella more consistent

True and my grandmother can drive one to. Whats the fun in that? I enjoy trying to work for the win.

stick for roll racing.

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91notch
08-22-2009, 01:22 PM
Track car auto/ Street car stick.

BigdaddyDupree
08-22-2009, 01:33 PM
manual valve body and your in whatever gear u want

Whaler
08-22-2009, 03:07 PM
Auto for street and strip is my preference. I've always manually shifted my automatics anyway until I had the Lightning. Even with the Lightning, I manually down shifted into 2nd gear if I was running from a roll. I've been told it's better on the transmission to pull it down a gear than having the tranny kick down by itself.
Gearmesh? ^

BAD BOB
08-22-2009, 05:39 PM
go lenco or a powerglide

Shane361
08-22-2009, 07:17 PM
Track car auto/ Street car stick.

All there is too it. If you want to have more fun at the track with a stick I can accept that..accept being slower though, your call :finger:

red99pony
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
i don't believe an automatic is always faster than a stick. maybe more consistant. you can add a launch master and control your launces for greater consistacy, and manuals don't rob as much power as automatics.

Harry
08-22-2009, 08:24 PM
Stick was fun when I was younger. Auto's are for drag racing. Especially if your running for money or to win. They are more consistent.

Shane361
08-22-2009, 09:24 PM
i don't believe an automatic is always faster than a stick. maybe more consistant. you can add a launch master and control your launces for greater consistacy, and manuals don't rob as much power as automatics.

True on the power robbing autos, but you cant shift faster than a computer and it wont miss a gear. Plus autos hold the high HP cars better than a stick. Stock for stock maybe but who is stock at the track? I hurt too many standards in my GT with a good stall, tranny and gears.-Shane

gearmesh, inc.
08-22-2009, 10:54 PM
Auto for street and strip is my preference. I've always manually shifted my automatics anyway until I had the Lightning. Even with the Lightning, I manually down shifted into 2nd gear if I was running from a roll. I've been told it's better on the transmission to pull it down a gear than having the tranny kick down by itself.
Gearmesh? ^

Somehow, I knew you guys would get my dog in this fight sooner or later!

In my opinion, manuals are typically more fun on road race and naturally aspirated street/strip cars. The manuals typically have a lighter rotating assembly, too, which helps out the naturally aspirated mills. Once the power level steps up, factory designed manuals typically aren't up to the task of the increased power, unless you go all out and get a T-56 or an aftermarket Tremec. Once you put money into a heavier built stick to take the extra power, you will still run into clutch woes. For the same ballpark of money you would put into a top of the line stick, you can have a built auto.

Automatic transmission parts are cheaper as a whole than their stick counterparts. Just ask anyone that has experienced a grenaded T-56. Those internal parts are about 2-3 times more expensive than T-5 parts. All I can figure is that with about 80-90 percent of the cars on the road having autos from the factory, the market is awash in automatic replacement parts vs. stickshift parts. Also, the big 3 automakers seem to have a problem sticking with one model of stickshift for years and years vs. a typical automatic model that stays in service for a decade or more. The long presence of service of a particular automatic transmission model ensures a healthy supply of parts long down the road.

On the subject of going ahead and downshifting a gear under light throttle when you anticipate you are going to nail it, yes, it will be a little easier on your auto tranny than if you had it downshift itself under heavy throttle. The downside of this is you have to upshift it yourself to get the next higher gear. Also, manual gear positions for automatics usually bring on an additional friction element to enable engine braking while in these manual positions. This means that for a manually selected upshift, this additional friction element has to let go at the same time the next friction element comes on, creating an overlap period that wouldn't be necessary if you just left the tranny in drive. Most modern autos have one way clutch assemblies in them for certain gears that enable most upshifts to occur with only one friction element movement, making synchronization of two separate friction element movements unnecessary. The net result of one friction element movement upshifts is cleaner, crisper upshifts.

The rule of thumb I recommend for overdrive trannies is that if you plan on jumping on the throttle, go ahead and take it out of overdrive and put it in drive before you jump on it. The first 3 gears in modern overdrives are built just as tough as their old 3 speed only counterparts and can take some abuse. Automatic downshifting among the first 3 gears won't measurably degrade the useful life of your tranny. Overdrive should be treated as just a gas saving cruising gear, unless you have an Allison, 4L80E, E4OD, 4R100, 5R110, etc. These bigger truck automatic overdrives can take moderate power in overdrive, but not as much abuse as they can take in their preceding gears.

Illusions
08-22-2009, 11:13 PM
True on the power robbing autos, but you cant shift faster than a computer and it wont miss a gear. Plus autos hold the high HP cars better than a stick. Stock for stock maybe but who is stock at the track? I hurt too many standards in my GT with a good stall, tranny and gears.-Shane

I'm stock ;) always have been. :D

red99pony
08-23-2009, 12:20 PM
i heard you were pretty quick, by someone you outrun

LXtasy
08-23-2009, 12:39 PM
was it a stock 2v mustang? if so, those aren't hard. stock 4.3 4doors and stock 5.3 silverado xcabs can hang with them :D

Illusions
08-23-2009, 02:51 PM
i heard you were pretty quick, by someone you outrun

They lied, I'm the slowest here. ;)

red99pony
08-23-2009, 07:04 PM
i don't know about you being the slowest i don't even have an engine in my bay so i have to be one of the top for slow :bigthumb:

WWhittle
08-23-2009, 10:08 PM
Auto is faster, i don't care how good you think you can "speeeeedshift".