Is this a bad idea?

[73camaro]

I just want opinions on a project I'm considering starting.

I'm tryin to sell the yellow car and move to a S13 chassis, and I wanna have a really unique engine swap that's not hyper expensive and not too slow. I thought about an F20, but that's been done, so I wanna recreate something I saw on Houston Craigslist years ago. A 4G63 240SX.

Opinions, ideas, disgust, let's hear it.

[BigdaddyDupree]

might be better as much as you drive.

[s14.5gonewide]

their is a rwd conversion for the 4g63.. it is kinda expensive. even if u bought a cyclone swap it would end up costing a grip of money..

i may be bias towards a import.. but to do a drop in motor swap you should have about 10grand set aside.
motor tranny
new seals(full)
new fluids
possibly new rings
clutch/flywheel why u are their
timing chain/belt

and thats before you start modding the motor at all. these jdm import engines have been sitting a long time. even if you get a usa motor its still being pulled from a early 90 motor...than u could be talking an evo motor but thats a grip of cash up front.

u are really better off keeping the yellow car and doing bolt ons, full heads, ect ect.. suspension.

[s14.5gonewide]

https://secure.buschurracing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=23_99

yea i think its just a pipe dream waiting to get parted out.. stick with what u got.

[73camaro]

Yeah, I figured on buying a fresh rebuilt T56 and totally rebuilding the engine/upgrading cams, head, and turbo setup. I want a 6 bolt, non-Evo motor in it, for a little better simplicity and zero worries of crank walk. And maybe 20 psi to start off with?

The big steps would be:

0. Drive the car normally while saving money. (Kinda fun)
1. Acquire all needed materials after figuring out engine guts/power & boost goal. (Spend as big as $15k)
2. Install engine / tranny setup, solving all location / mounting issues. (Fab)
3. Engine wiring, standalone, and accessories / driveshaft and shifter. (Electrical miracles occuring)
4. Entire turbo setup. (Really good at both welding and cussing by now)
5. Break in / work out kinks / dyno tune. (Driving a little at this point)
6. Enjoy the benefits and attention of a unique, potent swap. (Driving normally, overjoyed at success)
7. Build for more boost / strength later. (Huge money spendings again, sell other cars)

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Hard to beat an ole split bumper Camaro. That car has a ton of potential. You should keep working on it.:bigthumb:

[73camaro]

Thanks man. I really enjoy it the way it is: loud, rattly, spartan and simple. But my import buddies have converted me to the small light car / small boosted motor religion. I'm tryin half-assedly to sell mine for $10k. I wanna have fun on offramps, and have fun drifting with all my friends instead of drag racing. Stuff like gas bills, unending rust, constant cop attention, and self-disassembling interior bits have made me reconsider my muscle car. Somethin with a high-revving turbo motor and a total weight under 2600 would rock, even though it'd be slower in a straight line. A 240 is cheap and seems like it'd fit the bill, but I gotta figure out a good engine swap for it, or I won't be happy. Maybe a single turbo'd 2JZ... Or going to a S2K...

[toslow]

buy my dsm buy my dsm buy my dsm

[73camaro]

buy my dsm buy my dsm buy my dsm

May I have a link please?

[73camaro]

Now with video!
...instead of drag racing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIA2-Y9HQk

...have fun drifting with all my friends...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3t6KuDiP64

[snakeplissken]

I like 73Camaro - good attitude displacement for a young guy.

Waaay better than me at that age.

Carry on.

[bwelch]

It cost alot more money to build an import to be as fast as american muscle. Most of the really fast imports have alot of drivetrain problem when you put alot of power to them.

[BigdaddyDupree]

240sx with LS1 with t56. great mileage. awesome power. daily driver friendy. sleeper from hell. not stupid expensive. hell put a 5.3 in it and it will ride. cheap to build. funnnnnnn

[bwelch]

240sx with LS1 with t56. great mileage. awesome power. daily driver friendy. sleeper from hell. not stupid expensive. hell put a 5.3 in it and it will ride. cheap to build. funnnnnnn

x2.:bigthumb:.You could even turbo the ls1 in it.

[BigdaddyDupree]

if i didnt have a different car for every occasion which i sadly do and i just wanted to build something fast and driver friendly. i would never hesitate to build a 240 with a LS1 and T-56. i mean it would be fun. light. gobs of power. great mileage. and wouldnt hurt the wallet too bad

240sx 3000? maybe
complete LS1-1000
t56 1500
wiring 400
swap stuff 1200-1500
misc 1000
the powerand fun....priceless


for 8 grand you could have hell of a car. unless im overlooking something

[1998ta__1991rs]

ive got a NICEE 4.8 (could make it a high compression 5.3 if you wanted) that would fit very nice in a 240

[L.C.]

I say KA-T man, torque is fun, and those setups make tons; would be much easier/cheaper to do than 4G swap too.

That's what I would do if I had an S13.

That or a 26 like dude's vert, but FINISH IT! :bigthumb:

[jmd]

what you want for the yellow car?

[///Mcompact]

4G63 = Iron block = not much lighter than an aluminum V8.

Go with the SR20 if you wanna keep it a 4-banger. Otherwise, I 3rd the motion to put in a 4.8/5.3 and hook up a little "Psssh- Psssh" (as Jeff's little boy puts it).

[SLOWGREEN73]

I would put a LSX motor in your camaro with a T56 . Because imports have no resale value when modified. Detroit speed has all the parts to make your car handle like a corvette.

[WWhittle]

if i didnt have a different car for every occasion which i sadly do and i just wanted to build something fast and driver friendly. i would never hesitate to build a 240 with a LS1 and T-56. i mean it would be fun. light. gobs of power. great mileage. and wouldnt hurt the wallet too bad

240sx 3000? maybe
complete LS1-1000
t56 1500
wiring 400
swap stuff 1200-1500
misc 1000
the powerand fun....priceless


for 8 grand you could have hell of a car. unless im overlooking something



Thats if it's carburated. Add a good bit more if it's fuel injected.

[s14.5gonewide]

u will have 10 grand if not more in a ls1 240 swap..
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/s-4-nissan-240sx-95-98.aspx
i like this companies stuff as well.
http://sikky.com/

they are fun and have power but you will end up spending a grip of money on suspension components (especially good ones) tires and rims.. and thats to have a stock ls1.

the 240sx was not designed to have a ton of whp or torque you will be welding/stick/spot the whole car.. bracing( cage) strut bars,fender braces,floor braces,sway bars..
than u have or should have things like breaks, 300x,skyline,350z,bbk

it can be as simple as put a ls1 in the car.. its just an unbalanced car at that point..

[s14.5gonewide]

That or a 26 like dude's vert, but FINISH IT! :bigthumb:


what makes u think the vert is not finished?

[BigdaddyDupree]

i just put a LS motor in my s-10. and im no where ner 8 or 10k dollar mark for that sake. i did go carb but id rather have a LSX over any 4g79ndhs shit in which you speak of

[s14.5gonewide]

ill play devils advocate.

say what 3,500 for a motorset with 6 speed?
say 1,500 for mount kit
say 500 for wiring harness
the ls1 swap headers for a 240sx is 800/1000 depending on how much u push for them.

still need a exhaust

new clutch(upgraded of course)

still need an upgraded fuel setup.

still need a rearend(300z,q45,skyline with the axels) like 300/500
than brakes(300z,q45,skyline) rotors and the right break master cylnder 500 for the swap
still need a radiator/upgraded cooling system
id personally do a full seal kit and freshen the motor up a bit. new rings at least..

add all that up for right around 10grand... for a stock motor... now u want a cam,tune,manifold,nitrous, ect ect.. u can just keep adding it all up.

its not just put a motor in and u have a killer car. and its not as simple as just dropping the motor in and its all done..

(i personally like buying kits) to do motor swaps u have costumer service r&d someone to call if things dont line up.. if the wiring is messed.. someone is liable and u can usually resolve things.

especially like having wiring done.. frying an ecu or back feeding and melting ur harness is not a fun experience... been their done that.. cost more than doing it yourself.

[BAD BOB]

i got way less in my whole swap with motor tuning and all

[s14.5gonewide]

i got way less in my whole swap with motor tuning and all

ok any details since u filled us in on so much.?
what swap?

[BAD BOB]

ls1 swap. the best thing to do is build as much and buy as much used as you can

[s14.5gonewide]

i tend to agree but u need quality parts.. and the swap in a 240sx is not exactly drop in.. and he is thinking of a 4g63 swap which is not common at all in a 240sx.

[BAD BOB]

he should do a k20

[s14.5gonewide]

for an epic fail...

if its a 240 it should be a big bore 90mm 2.2 sr20det with a vvl head with a bw 256

or a 2jz swap.

neither of which are for the feint of heart or slim wallet

[BAD BOB]

i was thinkin the 2jz i think would work best for the setup

[Matts94Z28]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1080088/2jayZ.jpg

[s14.5gonewide]

worked on one this weekend... not as much fun as you think
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Photo0311.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Photo0310.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Photo0307.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Photo0308.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Photo0309.jpg

[BAD BOB]

looks simple

[s14.5gonewide]

lol a whole slew of a mess... direct bolt in is a loose very loose statment.
full return fuel setup done.
machined the rear turbo
re did the wiring harness... extended sodered ect ect
did a true sequential
new seals
built tranny with custom stall
boomslang wiring harness with aem fic unit.

whole slew of stuff to go.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-9/1080088/2jayZ.jpg

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[s14.5gonewide]

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
that picture is older than the sbc motor

[Matts94Z28]

that picture is older than the sbc motor

x2

[91notch]

Keep your camaro and put a built ls1 in it. Trust me you will regret getting rid of it for an import.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

that picture is older than the sbc motor

So that makes it not funny to someone whos never seen it?

[s14.5gonewide]

Keep your camaro and put a built ls1 in it. Trust me you will regret getting rid of it for an import.


as bias towards imports as i am.. i agree... heritage is more important than run of the mill. keep it built it...
you may be bored of it.do something to regain ur interest in it.. when u look back and u built the car from when u were little or young and u have something to show thats urs u will be proud and have a ton of knowledge.

[BigdaddyDupree]

s14 what forum did you copy those pics from? svtperformance again. go domestic or stfu!

[LXtasy]

I have a ka24 motor here. That thing is a SLOW DOG . No torque. I like torque and rather have vehicles with TORQUE. Hell 2.2. of fury has more torque than this ka24.

[ForceFed4g63]

Ace if you want a fun car just get a GSX, end of story lol

[MEEKLO]

Ace if you want a fun car just get a GSX, end of story lol

X2 if you want to start taking people money and you want a 4 cylinder. Well and AWD automatic with get u there. there is a 1gb talon called the "Red Rocket that is still a street drivable car that is in the 8's in the 1/4.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLoQEjLo7V0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eABvidBFCMg

[BIG B]

i got leeds on a 240 allstk and a awd talon i can get prices if you want!

[BAD BOB]

X2 if you want to start taking people money and you want a 4 cylinder. Well and AWD automatic with get u there. there is a 1gb talon called the "Red Rocket that is still a street drivable car that is in the 8's in the 1/4.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLoQEjLo7V0



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eABvidBFCMg

im sure they are pretty cheap to make go that fast!

[1998ta__1991rs]

i tend to agree but u need quality parts.. and the swap in a 240sx is not exactly drop in.. and he is thinking of a 4g63 swap which is not common at all in a 240sx.

bad bobs setup is doin good with "unquality" parts then....and under $2500 in the whole swap.

and no "conversion kit" was bought or even thought of

[s14.5gonewide]

bad bobs setup is doin good with "unquality" parts then....and under $2500 in the whole swap.

and no "conversion kit" was bought or even thought of

isn't he carberated? and the op topic was about a 4g63 swap in a 240. it got off topic i was just stating that its not as simple as buy a motor it drops in and runs..
i was also refering to swaping a mtor and building it.. again i was not talking about bad bob or anyone it was a general statment so dont put workds in my text or imply i ment something.

ive met quite a bit of people on this board and non have seemed to skimp or not know what they are talking about.. but your averag v8 swap in a 240 or any motor swap thats not a factory drop in cost some loot.. and even at that a 2jz comes factory in a is300(not turbo) and doing a vvti gte swap is still not cheep and it drops right in.

[73camaro]

what you want for the yellow car?

Tryin to get $10k out of it, of the $15 ish that's in it.

[73camaro]

Good suggestions. The only thing is, I really want a lighter, smaller platform. The car just feels huge to me, and I never use the trunk or back seat anyways, so a little 2 seater would be the ticket. Somethin else I thought about would be a LS swap in a Solstice. I've seen a couple, and Mallett sells completed ones:

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/02/beware-of-dog-mallett-reveals-pitbull-edition-v8-solstice/

A turbo LS in one of them would accomplish about all the goals I'm lookin for.

[s14.5gonewide]

fully aware of a ls6 in a 240
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/s145gonewide/Picture003-1.jpg

made 423whp 426 torque
LS1 block
LS6 intake manifold
LS6 heads ported / polished
Titanium retainers
Crane springs
Crane valves 205/157
Hardened pushrods
Comp cam custom grind 232/236-542/545 Lobe seperation 113
Ported LS2 oil pump
LS2 front sump oil pan
Ported Throttle body
MAF no screen
34lb injectors
Custom 1-3/8th headers
Dynomax bullet mufflers
Custom mild steel coolant piping, no hoses
High torque starter
Steel braided high pressure power steering line
Billet steel cnc's solid motor mounts
Custom subframe crossmember for motor
Custom transmission mount
Pro 5.0 shifter and short stick with Hurst leather shifter knob
Built T-56 6-speed transmission from Tick Performance for 700hp
One piece steel drive shaft
Tomei Technical Traxx 2-way LSD
Koyo aluminum radiator
Electric fan wired to switch inside car
160 degree thermostat to keep it cool
Spec 3+ clutch and billet steel flywheel
Steel braided slave cylinder line and custom slave cylinder with mounting
CNC's custom factory sway bar spacers to clear oil pan
Walboro 255 fuel pump
Spliced wire harness to make it all work

[Matts94Z28]

Please just keep the camaro.

[BAD BOB]

or do a ls1 swap into a crx:twisted:

[BAD BOB]

and why is there a thumbs down that automatically came up on the top of my post? DUMB

[s14.5gonewide]

or do a ls1 swap into a crx:twisted:

h22 built with a 372r making 700++ whp in a crx... rolls out:poke:

[73camaro]

or do a ls1 swap into a crx:twisted:

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuTnUTqDP1w

[LXtasy]

h22 built with a 372r making 700++ whp in a crx... rolls out:poke:


Tq and cost?



If you want something light, than look at regular cab trucks. Or hell, a postal jeep :hide:

[BigdaddyDupree]

i will have less that 2k in my swap when all said and done. it will be a brand new transmission. torque converter, 9 inch rear end and top end of motor. it will have leather seats and full interior. the bottom end of the motor has 60k miles on it. and for what it is it will be fun. once its done we will see how it runs. but for 2 grand its hard to make anything remotely fast

[s14.5gonewide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQIXhLDkTo
second race.. supercharged mustang owners dont watch
crx drags that ass on the top end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-zLdxAO-8

[AverageJoe]

but for 2 grand its hard to make anything remotely fast

it won't be.

bddggg:finger:

[BigdaddyDupree]

joe. were not friends n e more. and muppet is a cage fighter. there goes your ass. kapow

[73camaro]

Dupree, how big a spray will it take?

[bwelch]

with a progressive nitrous system there are guys spraying over a 200 shot on the stock bottom end. If it was mine I would only spray a 150 on the stock bottom end.

[bwelch]

here you go.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/1467365392.html

[The Big Al]

So is the Camaro for sale?

[Matts94Z28]

Nice Nova!

[1998ta__1991rs]

There has been over 300 sprayed on stock ls bottom ends. It all depends on the tuning.

[Matts94Z28]

There has been over 300 sprayed on stock ls bottom ends. It all depends on the tuning.

and how big your nuts are!

[BigdaddyDupree]

my iron block ima put a 150 or either a 200 on progresser. depends on how it likes it and the traction

[BAD BOB]

There has been over 300 sprayed on stock ls bottom ends. It all depends on the tuning.

mine has MORE than that on the alum block

[BAD BOB]

and how big your nuts are!

mine are LARGE.Spray all at once

[Matts94Z28]

mine are LARGE.Spray all at once

:finger:

[73camaro]

So is the Camaro for sale?

Yeah, just haven't started tryin hard to sell it. $10k is all I'm askin, lookin at a Duramax for sale near where I live.

[soccerspike15]

Yeah, just haven't started tryin hard to sell it. $10k is all I'm askin, lookin at a Duramax for sale near where I live.
still wont be zac :hide:

[73camaro]

Yeah the one I'm eyein is stock, except a hitch and tires.

[Matts94Z28]

still wont be zac :hide:


:poke: sounds familiar! :finger:

[LXtasy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQIXhLDkTo
second race.. supercharged mustang owners dont watch
crx drags that ass on the top end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T-zLdxAO-8


In the first video, you do know that red mustang with the cobra r wing is a turbocharged v6 mustang right?

[Robert Holton]

I think you should get that bad ass vette down here pronto!!! Looking for the break...

[73camaro]

I think you should get that bad ass vette down here pronto!!! Looking for the break...

The Vette is my papa's, and it pretty well never sees street use cause it doesn't have good valvesprings, a stud girdle, or a trans cooler for the 4500 converter. I'd love to grudge race with that thing. It'd be a fun high-9's street car if I was allowed to drive it ever :mad: The White Car on the other hand, is streetable and will be nice to have down here. To clarify for everyone, the Vette and the White Car are 2 separate entities. Read the link in my sig if you want to learn about it.

[Matts94Z28]

White car must be an LSX powered car... LOL

[73camaro]

Basically yeah.

[Robert Holton]

my bad i was talking bout the vette

[73camaro]

my bad i was talking bout the vette

I'd love to run people with that, if papa would ever let it come out to play.

[98Camarod]

White car must be an LSX powered car... LOL

It says less motor and more doors, don't really have a clue

[AverageJoe]

gotta be a truck or suv

[98Camarod]

gotta be a truck or suv

tbss??

[73camaro]

It says less motor and more doors, don't really have a clue

4 doors total, and there are a decent number of motors smaller than mine, including 383's. I'm actually 4.060 bore and 3.75 stroke to get 388 cubes.
It's got foglights too. And a sunroof.

[Mo-poor!]

As for the 240 idea, Save your money and respect. If you have to do something, put the money into your yellow car's suspension and let ir ride. If you really want to ???DRIFT??? get an old Toyota Corolla AE86 or MR2 for cheap, gut it, and just tear it up.. Both of those cars can be found for $2,500 or less.

[s14.5gonewide]

As for the 240 idea, Save your money and respect. If you have to do something, put the money into your yellow car's suspension and let ir ride. If you really want to ???DRIFT??? get an old Toyota Corolla AE86 or MR2 for cheap, gut it, and just tear it up.. Both of those cars can be found for $2,500 or less.

mr2 for drifting... really ... mid rear layout completely sucks for drifting.unlessu call snap overstear spin around drifting.

[SouthSideSlider]

to lazy to read the whole thread before work. but. using a mazdabeel housing and Turbo2 RX-7 transmission you can bolt a RWD drivetrain to a 4G6X motor.

[L.C.]

mr2 for drifting... really ... mid rear layout completely sucks for drifting.unlessu call snap overstear spin around drifting.

and to add to that, the wheelbase of a shopping cart.

so about this 26 vert, i thought you were trying to sell it incomplete. if it is done, where you live? i wana see this thing