Subaru WRX Dyno 305 WHP 335 WTQ

[hjcarnell]

Just got back from the dyno and I made pretty good numbers for a VF-39 on 93 with 9.1:1 CR.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/hjcarnell_af/Subie%20build/th_SDV_0021.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/hjcarnell_af/Subie%20build/?action=view&current=SDV_0021.flv)

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p288/hjcarnell_af/Subie%20build/100_1492.jpg

I know that this thing is gonna be a monster on E85. But for know I am all smiles and this is conservative with fuel and timing.

305 WHP
335 WTQ

Mustang dyno at sea level

Oh I forgot the mod list

- Hydra EMS w/ wideband
-Wiseco Pistons, eagle rods & ACL race bearing
- Kelford 264 cams, supertech valves and valve springs
-TGV deletes
- Perrin fuel rails
- RC 1200cc injectors
- Walbro 255 FP
- Grimmspeed PnP exhaust manifolds with 44mm EWG up-pipe
- Perrin electronic boost control solenoid
- Aeromotive A1000 fuel pressure regulator'
- Turbo XS front mount intercooler w/ SRI
- Samco turbo inlet

I know you are all thinking damn all that and look at those numbers. This is not the end of the road for the car, I just ran out of funds and wanted to drive it again. Once the funds for the PPG transmission and clutch show up it will be a WHOLE NEW BALL GAME. I think E85 will bring some very surprising numbers for the little stock turbo as well.

[chrisheltra]

Not bad on show zones dyno. That thing will rip off little baby jesus's wings and make him cry. Now see what it does at the track or on the street against the roll racing crowd.

[hjcarnell]

Not bad on show zones dyno. That thing will rip off little baby jesus's wings and make him cry. Now see what it does at the track or on the street against the roll racing crowd.

That shit made me literally laugh out loud. Yeah I think it will hold it's own for now but we are gonna do a tune on E85 here in the near future and It should make 350-375 WHP and over 400WTQ.

[jmd]

nice numbers. that thing is a beast. you will be called out soon with this crowd. lol

[hjcarnell]

Thanks. I know I will probably get called out and that's fine once the track opens and I won't be posting up any E85 numbers so you never know what will show up. LOL

[chrisheltra]

Thanks. I know I will probably get called out and that's fine once the track opens and I won't be posting up any E85 numbers so you never know what will show up. LOL

You should probably stop posting numbers now then because the track has been open for two weeks. lol

:cheers

[hjcarnell]

I had no idea the track was opened already I thought it was supposed to be April or something? Oh well I don't care if anyone sees my numbers I'm fine with it.

[chrisheltra]

Just messing with ya but yea bowman was open last saturday and today. Keep an eye on there section for announcements.

http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=29

[///Mcompact]

Cute numbers.

Let me know when you are ready for some real power.

This could be you:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kiley_sean/3000gt-1.jpg

[clubracergt1]

Thank you, Kylie, for not posting the Taurus' dyno sheet. I think my brain would melt instantly upon witnessing that one. You forgot the RPMs, though.

In all seriousness, not bad numbers for a 4cyl. Hell, I wish my V8 put that down. Something about them damn Subarus, though-They seem to go stupid fast on, reasonably, low numbers. Definate proof of the difference between racing on a track and racing on a dyno.

[hjcarnell]

Once I can get a Transmission to hold more power I will be be making WAY better numbers and a have a better turbo for the job.

[s14.5gonewide]

nice numbers. that thing is a beast. you will be called out soon with this crowd. lol



ill so run him:) even on e85 lol...

i dont think ur compressor map will support that even on e85 .. if it does its maxzed out and about to be a hair dryer.. unless u are stuffed bye blouch or something.

[bwelch]

dont you mean WE.:hysterical:

[s14.5gonewide]

dont you mean WE.:hysterical:



no ill drive the car:) concidering i will be making passes at nscra events this year i think im capable:)

actually drove the car today... wholeeeee newwwww animal..... going to be an interesting year.

[jmd]

ill so run him:) even on e85 lol...

i dont think ur compressor map will support that even on e85 .. if it does its maxzed out and about to be a hair dryer.. unless u are stuffed bye blouch or something.

and here it begins. bwelch is this another member that has a designated driver mod?

[LilRedEclipse]

Don't you have to sleeve those blocks? I have a couple buddys with STI's and that's all they talk about having to do... Nice numbers though. E85 is right beside showzone go fill up!

Also you say about getting a ppg trans.. those things arn't cheap! What clutch are you getting?

[s14.5gonewide]

and here it begins. bwelch is this another member that has a designated driver mod?

i donttake it personally i dont claim to be the driver... but i do get to drive the car and make passes at national events this year..

back on topic.

nice sti... e85 will be your friend. get some injector dynamic and run some bosh044(in tank) to feed the beast...

sti blocks are stout.. yes they are open deck. people claim to warp cylnder walls.. but their are quite a few pro shops with sti motors making big numbers.. 700whp plus on the stock open deck with piston/rods...

any comparison on how your car compares to a stock cam motor? i know those kelford cams are expensive as all get out. im just wondering if you are moving more air than the vf39 can flow..

good luck with the build it will deffantly be a animal get a pte 6765 in a t3 and make some big numbers.

[s14.5gonewide]

Also you say about getting a ppg trans.. those things arn't cheap! What clutch are you getting?

the ppg gearsets are the same price as a shep stag4(not dog bosx but the street king tranny) world industries usually does killer group buys on them and will install for a very fair fee.

[LilRedEclipse]

the ppg gearsets are the same price as a shep stag4(not dog bosx but the street king tranny) world industries usually does killer group buys on them and will install for a very fair fee.
Ah ok! Well PPG makes some amazing Gearsets!

[Magoo]

Car sounds mean and those are nice numbers for Show Zone's dyno. E85 is the ticket, I'm converting over also once I get off my ass.

[s14.5gonewide]

Car sounds mean and those are nice numbers for Show Zone's dyno. E85 is the ticket, I'm converting over also once I get off my ass.


u may want to look into e92(race ethonal) for the track.. i know a few people who use it and absolutely love it above the pump e85... just an idea. vp carries it.

[slow04]

Car sounds mean and those are nice numbers for Show Zone's dyno. E85 is the ticket, I'm converting over also once I get off my ass.

A lot easier,cheaper,and probably better to just use a water/meth kit..just a thought

[hjcarnell]

The stock sleeves will hold the power I am shooting for so I will be fine. I do think the Kelfords are too much for the stock turbo but like I said once I get the money for the better gears and clutch I will be going with a much more suitable turbo. I just wanted to drive the car again and I am. It still holds its own.

I will be going with either an Exedy twin/triple disc or an ACT.

[s14.5gonewide]

look into the clutch master fx750 or equivalent for the subaru... very nice clutch.

[chrisheltra]

A lot easier,cheaper,and probably better to just use a water/meth kit..just a thought

+1 I thought about going with e85 and decided because I was already using meth injection that the money needed to make the switch wasn't beneficial to me. Especially considering that meth injection gives you the same benefits and is cheaper to use.

[toslow]

I've got a nice anc kit designed for an evo for anyone interested

[BigdaddyDupree]

daryls truck resembles a nuclear bomb in the bed. but only faster:hide:

[chrisheltra]

daryls truck resembles a nuclear bomb in the bed. but only faster:hide:

But he still dosent have meth. lol

IIRC

[Matts94Z28]

Wrong freakin thread

[hjcarnell]

I already have everything for E85. The only things needed is an upgraded fuel pump, Large fuel injectors, and Fuel pressure regulator. I would rather run E85 b/c it is in the fuel tank with meth or alcy injection you can run out if you forget to fill it. E85 is like race gas but WAY cheaper and I live 3 miles from the Horizon station that sells it.

[toslow]

Where is the horizon station is SVILLE.

[chrisheltra]

City Name Address
Aiken United Energy 1046 Toolebeck Road
Aiken Kents Korner 1065 Pine Log Rd
Aiken Kents Korner 2557 Wagener Road
Aiken Kents Korner 301 Robert Bell Parkway
Aiken Kents Korner 502 York Street
Aiken Kents Korner 678 East Pine Log Road
Anderson Spinx 2206 N Main St
Bamberg EZ Shop 11897 Heritage Hwy
Bamberg EZ Shop 12545 Heritage Hwy
Bamberg EZ Shop 2187 Main Hwy
Batesburg Kents Korner 501 W Columbia Ave
Branchville EZ Shop 7604 Freedom Road
Columbia Gervais St Exxon 1421 Gervais Street
Columbia Irmo C Mart 7353 Nursery Road
Columbia Pitt Stop 2020 Bluff Road
Columbia SC Dept Health 2600 Bull street
Columbia Spinx 1619 Decker Blvd
Columbia Corner Pantry 1425 Bluff Road
Denmark EZ Shop 4997 Carolina Hwy
Easley Spinx 3785 Farrs Bridge Road
Edgefield Kents Korner 1012 Columbia Road
Elgin Pitt stop 595 Spears Creek Church Road
Eutawville Mudcity outdoors 12907 old Hwy 6
Fairfax EZ Shop 292 Allendale
Florence Breakers 2074 W Evans
Florence Breakers 4801 E Palmetto
Fort Mill Fairway 1010 Carolina Place
Fort mill Fairway 1290 Tom Hall St
Fort Mill Times Oil 1010 Carolina Place Dr
Gaffney Gas Land USA E85 1121 Hyatt Street
Galivants Ferry Pee Dee Farms store 135 Highway 501 W
Gowensville Spinx 5598 N Hwy 14
Greenville Hickory Point 2617 Wade Hampton Blvd
Greenville Spinx 1510 Woodruf Rd
Greer Spinx 100 W Wade Hampton Blvd
Hartsville Breakers 103 E Home Sreet
Honea Path Spinx 220 East Greer Street
Irmo Pitt Stop 7409 Broad River Road
Ladson EZ Shop 4137 Ladson RD
Leesville Kents Korner 6670 Augusta Hwy
Lexington Kents Korner 205 longs Pond Road
Lexington Pitt Stop 5019 Augusta Road
Liberty Spinx 7252 Moorefield Memorial Highway
Marietta Spinx 2921 Geer St Hwy 276
Marion Breakers 2207 E Hwy 76
Orangeburg Henrys Travel Center 1935 Old Edisto Drive
Orangeburg Smiths 66 1692 Columbia Road
Pelzer hickory point 1645 Easley Hwy
Ridgeville Givans Stop & Shop 1830 Hwy 61
Santee EZ Shop 8909 Hwy 6
Sharon Brownies 3864 S York St
Simpsonville Spinx 1301 Fairview
Simpsonville Spnx 549 East Standing Springs
Simpsonville Spinx 697 Fairview Rd
Spartanburg Hickory Point 2770 Reidville Rd
Spartanburg Spinx 215 South Pine Street
St George EZ Shop 5963 Jim Bilton Blvd
St Matthews EZ Shop 6009 Columbia Rd
Summerton EZ Shop 8440 Saint Paul Rd
Sumter Corner Pantry 501 N Guignard Dr
Taylors Spinx 2601 Locust Hill Road
Travelers Rest Spinx 2 Tigerville Road
Union Exxon 101 N Duncan Bypass
Wagener Kents Korner 206 Railroad Ave
Walterboro EZ Shop 1539 Bells Hwy
Walterboro EZ Shop 1796 Snyder Hwy
Walterboro EZ Shop 3304 Robertson Blvd
Walterboro EZ Shop 775 Bells Hwy
West Columbia Pitt Stop 1928 Airport Rd
West Columbia United Energy 2470 Fish Hatchery Rd
Williston Kents Korner 4835 West Street
Yemassee EZ Shop 315 Yanessee Road

[///Mcompact]

and Fuel pressure regulator.
What? The one you have isn't good enough? Sell that sucker to me for 40$!

[hjcarnell]

NO i was just saying that I have everything. DOUCHE!!!

[///Mcompact]

Nah..you're still missing one thing to be good-to-go with E85:



Driver Mod.

Go ask KDL racing for this. They might let you borrow one.



Douche
:mrgreen:

[Magoo]

u may want to look into e92(race ethonal) for the track.. i know a few people who use it and absolutely love it above the pump e85... just an idea. vp carries it.


E85 will be more than plenty, I'm looking at 93 octane vs 105 octane with higher detonation thresh holds and cooler cylinder temps for cheaper....I'll take that all day long.

A lot easier,cheaper,and probably better to just use a water/meth kit..just a thought


All I need is bigger injectors (which I need regardless) and FGT fuel pumps for E85. Then I retune it and add more fuel. Meth isn't beneficial on a PD blower car unless you can tap it into the lower intake after the intercooler, even then it's tough to make sure it sprays evenly into the cylinders. It would be a bigger investment for meth then E85, and I'd still have to pay for more expensive gas.

+1 I thought about going with e85 and decided because I was already using meth injection that the money needed to make the switch wasn't beneficial to me. Especially considering that meth injection gives you the same benefits and is cheaper to use.

E85 costs less than 93 octane, which you would still have to buy if you use meth? Either way you save money by essentially buying $2.30/gallon race gas that burns cooler.

I already have everything for E85. The only things needed is an upgraded fuel pump, Large fuel injectors, and Fuel pressure regulator. I would rather run E85 b/c it is in the fuel tank with meth or alcy injection you can run out if you forget to fill it. E85 is like race gas but WAY cheaper and I live 3 miles from the Horizon station that sells it.


Agreed.

[chrisheltra]

E85 costs less than 93 octane, which you would still have to buy if you use meth? Either way you save money by essentially buying $2.30/gallon race gas that burns cooler.

The cost saving from 93 to E85 is non existent. You will have to use at least 20% more fuel than you would with 93.

I dont have to invest anymore money into my fuel system to run what I have now and still get all the benefits you will. I probably dont have to but I do still run some 110 at the track just for added protection.

Im not saying one setup is better than the other just saying based on what I already have converting to E85 wont benefit me. The best part is I got my meth kit for free.

The downside to all of this is if you want to get really aggressive with your tune to run a number at the track you will still need to rune some C16.

[DolSVT00]

Nice Numbers HJ.


Meth isn't beneficial on a PD blower car unless you can tap it into the lower intake after the intercooler, even then it's tough to make sure it sprays evenly into the cylinders. It would be a bigger investment for meth then E85, and I'd still have to pay for more expensive gas.

I completely dissagree with this statement, I've been running it on my eaton for over a year, I can run more 4 more degree's of timing with it +93 without detonation where 93 alone will detonate and its quite audible.

I have proven it time and time again to lower my IAT2 temps by a minimum of 10* even if its cold out.

I spray it before the blower, the blower helps to atomize the mixture and the water/methanol on the rotor's help to cool the blower itself via vaporization.

I have tons of data to prove it, im not talking off of what someone else said or "heard", it takes time to get it setup properly and most are scared of the a/f that it needs to be run at to work properly.

And last but not least, MM&FF has proven it to add 40 HP even through a twinscrew KB.

[Magoo]

When you spray it pre intercooler on our cars it's wasted, and has been proven by plenty of tests. There's quite a few threads on SVTP and Modfords where people have debated it. Admitedly I have zero first hand knowledge or experience with it, simply going off what I've seen posted by knowledgeable people....particularly on Modfords.

The intercooler on our cars/trucks is designed to cool or heat the air charge passing through it to whatever temperature the coolant in the IC is. So you can spray cold meth through it all day long, if the IC fluid is warmer the IC will work to heat that air charge back up so it doesn't make any sense that your IAT2 temps are than noticeably different.

And I don't believe shit that comes from a MM&FF magazine, they write what they get paid to write.

[DolSVT00]

I hope they Bring Data, not BS...........


I bring data Below is a link to a spreadsheet, rpm vs rpm Back to back pulls Eaton bare pull first, Methanol pull second, Methanol and nitrous third. On the street in real conditions, not on a dyno.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/rsmith1/combined2.xls


I'd also like to add that if you want to verify the data, Mike was in the passenger seat getting it while I was making the pulls.

[DolSVT00]

Also, I make more Boost with the methanol, I'm running a 8# lower and a 2.80 upper, without the methanol on the same guage its 17-18 psi with methanol its 20-21psi because the mixture fills the gaps of the rotors.

[Magoo]

Looking at your results, your IAT and Charge temps were lower when the pull was started? Assuming your meth only sprays when at WOT that test is useless with the charge temps on meth starting out 12* colder. Without Meth your charge temps rose by 13* from start to finish during the pull, with meth your charge temps rose by 18* from start to finish?

Here's some good reads from Modfords if you want to look through them, these are what I was referring to. Again no first hand experience, just going off other's experiences.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67802&highlight=methanol&page=3

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36474&highlight=methanol&page=7

[///Mcompact]

This sounds similar to the debate people have about having CAIs on intercooled cars. Some say that no matter how hot/cold the intake temps are, the turbo/intercooler will have a fixed intake charge temp.

Meanwhile, there are those who tested it (installing another IAT sensor post charge), and have found that cooler intake temps do result in cooler intake charge temps. One found that for every 1 degree cooler the incoming air is = 1.2 degrees cooler ICT.

Regardless of all that, if an Evo's IAT (measured at the MAF) reaches certain temp blocks, it pulls timing = lose power (i.e. IAT above 100 degrees pulls 1 degree..and keeps pulling as each temp block is crossed). That was enough for me to build a heat shield. Moving along the highway flushes out hot air quickly, but just farting around town or autocrossing can bring on the heatsoak with a quickness.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/attachments/ecuflash/126785-ignition-timing-trims-ignition-retard-vs-iat.jpg


Back on topic..

[DolSVT00]

Looking at your results, your IAT and Charge temps were lower when the pull was started? Assuming your meth only sprays when at WOT that test is useless with the charge temps on meth starting out 12* colder. Without Meth your charge temps rose by 13* from start to finish during the pull, with meth your charge temps rose by 18* from start to finish?

Here's some good reads from Modfords if you want to look through them, these are what I was referring to. Again no first hand experience, just going off other's experiences.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67802&highlight=methanol&page=3

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36474&highlight=methanol&page=7

Ive read them all Magoo, but I still don't care, I know what it does for me on 93, and its saved quite a few plugs.

The charge temps IAT2's start out colder because you have to purge the system before a run (similar to n20) in order to fill the empty lines. its on a progressive controller aswell not a WOT switch, its controlled by Maf counts. The purge got rid of some of the heat from the first pull.

There's more data, I only pulled rpm vs rpm. Naturally the pull was started way before 3000, I only took that section of data because it was what was relivant. What you see is a sampled section of the data vs eachother. And a noticeable improvement.

I'm not trying to sell you a kit, just simply stating that my results are more favorable and repeatable, I'd be glad to load you in the truck and proove it.

[hjcarnell]

WOW.... This thread has blown up. I am going with E85 b/c that is what I wanted to do from day 1 I know I am going to be more than satisfied.

[///Mcompact]

Yep..that's how we do it on CHP.

[Magoo]

Ive read them all Magoo, but I still don't care, I know what it does for me on 93, and its saved quite a few plugs.



It's cool bro, just sharing opinions.

Yep..that's how we do it on CHP.


Hell ya