2011 CHP True Street list.

[Mike]

Here is what I"m thinking about

Rules: (subject to change)

1. Car must be driven to the track

Let me know if you want on the list, hopefully we will get enough cars to make this class work.

Carlrx7----------Corvette
Foose04---------GMC Truck
Chrisheltra ---- Lightning
Mike ------------ Mustang
LadyInRed ------ Mustang
Audie1 ----------GN
red99pony--------Mustang
1bad4dr------------Mustang

[RobertHolton1]

why not do this.... everybody show up, enter the race, then qualify and then do a ladder sheet for that race. why have call outs. I think there will be more of a turn out for this format. if you are not called out or do not call someone out, you are less tempted to bring your car. i think the racing will be closer with a ladder sheet for each separate race

[chrisheltra]

Add me

[Mike]

why have call outs.

Gives us something to BS about for the 3 weeks we aren't at the track doing a TD event. Ray had plenty of close races last year during his top dog races.

[Audie1]

Add me.......87 GN :-)

[MonteC]

I like it Mike. But we do need to go a little deeper on the tire issue.

[98nbmz]

Who needs ac? Thats what windows are for or ttops :bigthumb:

[chrisheltra]

I like it Mike. But we do need to go a little deeper on the tire issue.

You use slicks? :twisted:

[BAD BOB]

looks like ill have to make a ac system for my car!

[Mike]

looks like ill have to make a ac system for my car!

:bigthumb:

Ray & Tyler were talking about doing the same thing.

I mean how much e.t. can an ac cost you. At most a tenth, for me it's not worth sacrificing comfort on a real daily driven street car for at most a tenth of a second.

[LXtasy]

boo on the ac required. and boo for having all seats installed. i say atleast carpeted and cant see floorpans. hell i have bought several vehicles that didnt have working ac.

[Mike]

I like it Mike. But we do need to go a little deeper on the tire issue.

Do you want to ban drag radials?

[Mike]

hell i have bought several vehicles that didnt have working ac.

me too, and it was one of the 1st things I got fixed.

[minytrker]

I don't car either way since I'm in Texas but the A/C rule seems kinda out there. It doesn't effect the cars et by hardly anything at all (less than a .10), you can't race with it on so what does it matter if you have it on the car or not? If someone drives there car around and drives it to the track without a/c in SC's hot ass summer's then I think they earn the right to race in the street class.

[Mike]

For guys with cars that didn't come with ac, check this link out.

http://www.classicautoair.com/

Shit if your driving your car to work in SC during the summer, the money will be well spent. :bigthumb:

[Carlrx7]

I like it Mike. But we do need to go a little deeper on the tire issue.

I agree,

id rather race in the extreme street and lose with a good clean pass then race in the street class and get beat by a v6 mustang cuz I cant hook for shit. lol :poke:

i say, you must drive to track on regular street tires, but can swap tires if you want once you arrive to the track.

lol, looks like ill be buying a set of MT 305/35/18's just for you guys..

-Carl

[MonteC]

Do you want to ban drag radials?


No. I just wanted to better clarify what tires can be run and what tires are not allowed.

[Foose04]

My A/C works like a champ. I'd be interested in "True Street" class. That said at very min. a DR is allowed as those can be used on highway year around. My 555r's tested in Ohio snow. Verdict, slow it the f*ck down and you'll make it home.

[LadyInRed]

id rather race in the extreme street and lose with a good clean pass then race in the street class and get beat by a v6 mustang cuz I cant hook for shit. lol :poke:

:hysterical:

Do you want to ban drag radials?
No.


))<>((

[Mike]

My A/C works like a champ. I'd be interested in "True Street" class. That said at very min. a DR is allowed as those can be used on highway year around. My 555r's tested in Ohio snow. Verdict, slow it the f*ck down and you'll make it home.

:bigthumb:

My 18" Mickey Thompson Drag radials performed just as good as stock tires in the rain.

[Mike]

If someone drives there car around and drives it to the track without a/c in SC's hot ass summer's then I think they earn the right to race in the street class.

The "real" Top Dog Class is made up of all street cars.

Haven't came up with the final rules for that class, but at the very least all cars need to be Licensed and registered. Guys that drive their cars and have no ac, will be more than welcomed in that class.

[Mike]

id rather race in the extreme street and lose with a good clean pass then race in the street class and get beat by a v6 mustang cuz I cant hook for shit. lol :poke:


Learn to pedal. :poke:

....BTW Mickey Thompson Drag Radials hook just as well as most slicks.

[Audie1]

looks like ill have to make a ac system for my car!

Actually cars made since the 1980's were designed to release the AC Clutch under full acceleration or when the TPS signal is over approx 3.5 volts....so even though I like the idea of a working AC (mine works), it is of no significance in a Drag Race........FYI

[Carlrx7]

we are not allowed to run the a/c while racing?

[MonteC]

we are not allowed to run the a/c while racing?

Uh, no. Unless you want the track to boot you for getting water everywhere.

OR you can devise a catch can to prevent this. :hysterical:

[Carlrx7]

water drips on to the header, vaporized, no water puddles.

[Mike]

water drips on to the header, vaporized, no water puddles.

No wonder you looked so cool going down the track. :mrgreen:

[Mike]

))<>((

:hysterical:
Rob abusing his mod power

[LadyInRed]

:hysterical:
Rob abusing his mod power

I noticed that.




))<>((

[Carlrx7]

lol

[Mike]

Who can come up with a catchy name for this group. Can't be Top Dog, cause that's taken?

I was thinking Top Turtle, but that's not as catchy as I'd like.

Some of you guys have a good imagination so come up with something catchy and funny.

[Audie1]

How about.......Swamp Dog's?

[Mike]

How about.......Swamp Dog's?

Nice,

or Cool Cat.... kind of goes with the ac thing. :twisted:

[LadyInRed]

Super Snails :lol:

Rob is an asshole -evil squint-. Which will be edited by him to say "))<>((" I'm sure.


))<>((

[1BAD4DR]

thats my girlfriends daily driver you just added MIKEY!!!! but i will race if i can make it

[Mike]

thats my girlfriends daily driver you just added MIKEY!!!! but i will race if i can make it

:cheers

[1BAD4DR]

my girlfriends daily driver that IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII pay for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Audie1]

Someone please enlighten me........ what does "))<>((" mean??? :confused:

[BAD BOB]

must watch video...http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7372

[LadyInRed]

Someone please enlighten me........ what does "))<>((" mean??? :confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoJo81lujk
http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7372

Edit: Treed.

))<>((

[BAD BOB]

oh and my idea doesnt involve putting at compressor and such on my car. i have a pretty big blower motor and cooler in the car already. sneaky ideas but will work. thought of it just in time for summer too

[BAD BOB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoJo81lujk
http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7372

Edit: Treed.

GG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Audie1]

Oh............Snap...............sick people................lol

[Mike]

oh and my idea doesnt involve putting at compressor and such on my car. i have a pretty big blower motor and cooler in the car already. sneaky ideas but will work. thought of it just in time for summer too

you must of missed rule 5. I don't think ford ever put a ls1, ls2, lsx, etc... in a mustang. :poke:

[MonteC]

HOE sNAP!

[BAD BOB]

so how does that not make it a true street car? sounds like that name of the race should be stock car true street. well i may have to turn my truck into the one to beat

[Mike]

sounds like that name of the race should be stock car true street.

good idea.

[BAD BOB]

thanks. im out of here

[Derek]

Mike i think I got confused. If I can run a 325/50/15 micky et street,I could run here I have all amenities my car came with.

[chrisheltra]

Mike i think I got confused. If I can run a 325/50/15 micky et street,I could run here I have all amenities my car came with.

From MT's site:

ET Street
Worlds Fastest D.O.T. Class Race Tire.

World's Fastest D.O.T. class race tire. Same great features as our race winning ET Drag with a D.O.T. stamp that meets the rulebook specifications for street tire classes. Tube type for extra sidewall strength, better air retention, and more consistent ETÔÇÖs.

* D.O.T. Approved
* Compounded For Maximum Traction
* Requires Little or No Burnout
* Engineered For Consistent Performance
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/et_street.jpg

ET Street Radial
Worlds Fastest Street Radial!

Mickey Thompson's legendary race tire technology comes to the street with the ET Street Radial. Built using the latest in high tech radial construction techniques and years of drag racing experience and compound development, this D.O.T. approved street legal drag radial will get your car down the track in record time and drive you home with sure handling and an excellent ride.

* Soft Compound For Superior Traction On The Drag Strip
* Radial Construction for Excellent Ride Control on the Street
* Low Void, Directional Tread for Maximum Dry Traction
* Special Sidewall Construction for Quick Launches.
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/et_street_radial_a.jpg

ET Street Radial
Optimized For Modern Sports Cars & Sport Compacts

New to the ET Street Radial line, this tire is specifically designed for modern performance cars including spot compacts, Mustangs, Corvettes, Vipers and others that require bigger wheel diameters for brake clearance.

* Soft Compound For Superior Traction On The Drag Strip
* Radial Construction for Excellent Ride Control on the Street
* Polyester Ply, Steel Belted for Strength and Durability
* D.O.T. Approved
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/et_street_radial_b.jpg

[Mike]

In my opinion the top tire in Chris's post is only dot approved for certain street type classes. I think I have read somewhere that it says "not approved for highway use" on it somewhere. If it's not on there it should be.

That being said those are the tires I was talking about when I said even if it says dot approved doesn't make it a true street tire.

[Matts94Z28]

Hoosier QTP are the same way. They would be illegal.

[AverageJoe]

If thats the case, you should make this a street tire only race. Exclude all drag radials too (not counting the nitto 555r's because they suck). Auto cars are doing really well on et street radials (Wes), but they are a huge handicap for manuals.

[LXtasy]

Tiger paw tires ftw

[Derek]

Yeah its the middle tire in chris's post. Im sure we will iron everything out at d's. It doesn't matter where I go I just wanna have some fun.

[chrisheltra]

Yeah its the middle tire in chris's post. Im sure we will iron everything out at d's. It doesn't matter where I go I just wanna have some fun.

Those are DOT approved and the same tire Ill be on. Mike also used to race on them.

[LXtasy]

you must of missed rule 5. I don't think ford ever put a ls1, ls2, lsx, etc... in a mustang. :poke:

those aren't aftermarket blocks :bigthumb: just a different vehicle company stock OEM block.

Why not limit some more.

* Must ran same fuel as the vehicle did when brand new?
* can not take off tailgate, bedcovers etc?
* Must have OEM shocks or stock replacements, no adjustables
* Must have a 6 disc cd changer and no aftermarket speakers
* Must have same size wheels/tires available on vehicle for that model year.
* Stock fuel tanks. NO CELLS


Does that sound retarded? I think it would go well with the other "rules" also.

You can count me out on racing any of the tdl crap. Not like we would do any good. Its just a bunch of stupid ass rules to pertain to certain people.


Or Ignore most of the BS posted in the rules and add this IMPORTANT ONE. MUST PASS TECH for times and speed the vehicle runs

[Derek]

Those are DOT approved and the same tire Ill be on. Mike also used to race on them.

Yeah man luckie bought some last week and made me a believer.

[chrisheltra]

Yeah man luckie bought some last week and made me a believer.

Ive seen a Lightning cut a 1.30 60' with my own eyes which sold me on using them.

[red99pony]

mike i will be running the mustang thanks

[blubyu87gt]

Does something like this count for the A/C rule?

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac33/blubyu87gt/ghetto-car-air-conditioning.jpg

Yeah I am not about to go through the hastle/cost of putting the AC back in the GT and there is no way I will even consider hacking up my 85 notch that came from factory with no options (ac included and back seat are included in the list of stuff left out from factory) to run that...

LXtasy: You forgot to add power windows, power locks, and traction control to your list. Those are pretty standard in "street cars" today so they should be added :)

[bwelch]

What if your car doesn't come with a factory spare? Does that count as weight reduction? Also my tires have nitrogen in them which makes them lighter. Is that a problem? I also run synthetic oil instead of regular oil that it calls for. Will that fit in the rules? What if I'm running a 275 instead of the factory 245 tire?

[Mike]

Sounds like the class Ray came up with doesn't sound so bad now. Pretty much the only rule was that you drive to the track from your house. The class will be on the honor system, and self policed like Drag Week.


Rules updated.

[BigdaddyDupree]

Everybody is bitching about rules and really making this whole thing blow. Racing is a hobby for all of us why can't we just go out n race n have a good time at the track. A day at the track isnt a cheap day out. I.at least spend 150 when I go by time I get diesel. Gas up the s10 admission etc. If everyones gonna bitch about rules why waste the money? I liked buckners idea about one saturday a month we just go racing....sorry harry please don't be angry I said his name

[blubyu87gt]

Well said man. I think thats where a lot of the bitching (most seems more like poking fun though.) comes from. Just show up and race for fun.... Not have to go through all these hoops just for a day out...

[BAD BOB]

Everybody is bitching about rules and really making this whole thing blow. Racing is a hobby for all of us why can't we just go out n race n have a good time at the track. A day at the track isnt a cheap day out. I.at least spend 150 when I go by time I get diesel. Gas up the s10 admission etc. If everyones gonna bitch about rules why waste the money? I liked buckners idea about one saturday a month we just go racing....sorry harry please don't be angry I said his name

yours shit is exspensive to run. i can get by with like 50 or 60.

[chrisheltra]

Gate fee............................................... .................................$10
Loaded chili sausage dog, fries and a large drink............................$6.50
Large brick of a shit (weight reduction)........................................ Priceless

[BigdaddyDupree]

From macedonia to Bowman. 40 in diesel. 15 gallon cell that's 45 bucks. Entry. Dinner and drinks for the cooler

[Harry]

Everybody is bitching about rules and really making this whole thing blow. Racing is a hobby for all of us why can't we just go out n race n have a good time at the track. A day at the track isnt a cheap day out. I.at least spend 150 when I go by time I get diesel. Gas up the s10 admission etc. If everyones gonna bitch about rules why waste the money? I liked buckners idea about one saturday a month we just go racing....sorry harry please don't be angry I said his name

Wow, Good one.:applaud:

[BAD BOB]

From macedonia to Bowman. 40 in diesel. 15 gallon cell that's 45 bucks. Entry. Dinner and drinks for the cooler

baller

[Blue Skunk]

Learn to pedal. :poke:

....BTW Mickey Thompson Drag Radials hook just as well as most slicks.

Not on my cars......

[Slow_Esuvee]

did u play with the air pressure ? and get them hot ?

[BAD BOB]

ive cut 1.31 60s foot brake in my 3k car

[Mike]

I have been 1.4x in a 5k lb truck with MT drag radials.

I have also owned a bad pair of MT DR's and couldn't get better than a 1.7x with the same truck. The tires were left outside during the summer, and had pretty much lost all softness to them.

[chrisheltra]

This is the 10.0 index rules at Cecil Dragway. Why dont we use them as a guideline and change as necessary?

1. .500 Pro Tree
2. Full Bodied street cars only (no open bodied cars allowed)
3. Finished interiors.
4. Lexan windows permitted.
5. Minimum weight 2800 lbs
6. Mufflers mandatory on ALL cars.
7. DOT tires only, max size 30 x 13.5 (any size drag radial accepted)
8. Gasoline Only (no alcohol)
9.No wheelie bars.
10. No Full square or round tube chassis
11. Back half cars permitted
12. Tubs allowed
13. Pneumatic or electric throttle stops prohibited
14. Delay devices prohibited (2 steps and Tran brakes are permitted)
15. Any type power adder permitted

There was some shit in there about NHRA safety equipment rules but we all know that doesn't apply to us so I left them off.

[BigdaddyDupree]

This is the 10.0 index rules at Cecil Dragway. Why dont we use them as a guideline and change as necessary?

1. .500 Pro Tree
2. Full Bodied street cars only (no open bodied cars allowed)
3. Finished interiors.
4. Lexan windows permitted.
5. Minimum weight 2800 lbs
6. Mufflers mandatory on ALL cars.
7. DOT tires only, max size 30 x 13.5 (any size drag radial accepted)
8. Gasoline Only (no alcohol)
9.No wheelie bars.
10. No Full square or round tube chassis
11. Back half cars permitted
12. Tubs allowed
13. Pneumatic or electric throttle stops prohibited
14. Delay devices prohibited (2 steps and Tran brakes are permitted)
15. Any type power adder permitted

There was some shit in there about NHRA safety equipment rules but we all know that doesn't apply to us so I left them off.
That's a.good set of.rules

[98nbmz]

Lexan? Transbrake? Tubs? Back half

[minytrker]

From macedonia to Bowman. 40 in diesel. 15 gallon cell that's 45 bucks. Entry. Dinner and drinks for the cooler

I'll trade you....it was alot cheaper for me to to the track in SC than it is here.

$100 diesel
$100 race gas
$25 gas in generator
$100 Nitrous (top off 6 bottles)
$50 Spark plugs (2 sets)
$60 Admission (pay my brothers way in for helping)
$50 Food & drinks
__________________________________________________ ____

$485 Just to get to the track & get in.

Thats not counting any entry fee for any kind of race. Its also not counting cost for tires. All the tracks are 100+ miles away.

[Audie1]

Damn.........this is getting Too complicated.......:hide:

[BigdaddyDupree]

Lexan? Transbrake? Tubs? Back half

Yes and a minimum weight requirement. Full interior. Stuff.like that will keep race cars out

[Harry]

Even by those rules, Most everybody on here would still be able to run in this class.

[rm1]

How about this for a street car shootout.
Drive to track
Pump gas
Street tires
Ins. and tags.
Any engine,any power adder.
Meet at crazy Ds and drive to Bowman, 30 min cool down. Having to drive 45min on I26 at 70mph and having to race on pump gas will keep alot of wanabe street cars out.
Everyone throw in $25 or however much and pay winner and runner up. You can have a couple empty trailers come along incase someone breaks.
One pass then race off a ladder.
This shootout could be twice a year.

[clubracergt1]

Not a terrible idea, Jeff. I, personally, will likely not have anything worth running-still; but ture street cars drive to the track. Who gives a damn about a/c and other ammenities? If you are willing to spend a half hour, or so, in the car, on public roads-it's a street car. If it HAS to be trailered, it's a race car.

[1iron]

Anyone with a race car that wants to run this class has issues. I am sure you guys can find a simple set of rules that works. Street tire with no less than XXX tread wear rating ???

[chrisheltra]

This is the 10.0 index rules at Cecil Dragway. Why dont we use them as a guideline and change as necessary?

1. .500 Pro Tree
2. Full Bodied street cars only (no open bodied cars allowed)
3. Finished interiors.
4. Lexan windows permitted.
5. Minimum weight 2800 lbs
6. Mufflers mandatory on ALL cars.
7. DOT tires only, max size 30 x 13.5 (any size drag radial accepted)
8. Gasoline Only (no alcohol)
9.No wheelie bars.
10. No Full square or round tube chassis
11. Back half cars permitted
12. Tubs allowed
13. Pneumatic or electric throttle stops prohibited
14. Delay devices prohibited (2 steps and Tran brakes are permitted)
15. Any type power adder permitted

There was some shit in there about NHRA safety equipment rules but we all know that doesn't apply to us so I left them off.

Lexan? Transbrake? Tubs? Back half


1. .500 Pro Tree
2. Full Bodied street cars only (no open bodied cars allowed)
3. Finished interiors.
4. Lexan windows prohibited.
5. Minimum weight 2800 lbs
6. Mufflers mandatory on ALL cars.
7. DOT tires only, max size 30 x 13.5 (any size drag radial accepted)
8. Gasoline Only (no alcohol)
9. No wheelie bars.
10. No Full square or round tube chassis
11. Back half cars prohibited
12. Tubs prohibited
13. Pneumatic or electric throttle stops prohibited
14. Delay devices prohibited (2 steps and Tran brakes are permitted)
15. Any type power adder permitted
:bigthumb:

[bwelch]

If you want to keep fast cars out. The only rule you need is NO DRAG RADIALS just regular street tires. That way all the fast guys have to race in Top Dog.

[Magoo]

Not that it really matters as I haven't seen the track in forever. But while I like the idea of the True Street list, I know I for one don't even own any "street" tires. I have ET Streets for the track and Hoosier drag radials for the street that I drive around on. My car is a 100% stock motor/trans/suspension car but would be useless and dangerous at the track with just street tires on it.

[1 Slow Z]

Ture street cars drive to the track. Who gives a damn about a/c and other ammenities? If you are willing to spend a half hour, or so, in the car, on public roads-it's a street car. If it HAS to be trailered, it's a race car.

I agree a 110% on this stuff. I don't understand the racing on street tire deal, might as well give any and all AWD cars the edge.

[Carlrx7]

lol i still dont understand the tire thing. why even allow tire swaps at the track if the tires are supposed to be DOT legal? also if you do allow tire swaps, why limit to dot dr's?

im gonna go trade in the vette for a gtr skyline. awd and launch control, add a 150 shot, win win win.

-Carl

[chrisheltra]

lol i still dont understand the tire thing. why even allow tire swaps at the track if the tires are supposed to be DOT legal? also if you do allow tire swaps, why limit to dot dr's?

im gonna go trade in the vette for a gtr skyline. awd and launch control, add a 150 shot, win win win.

-Carl

I know for me my DOT approved drag radials are on wheels not designed for street use.

[Mike]

Thread closed. Check out Monte C's new thread.