My 11 second queen has to come apart

[Foose04]

Well, another nice long trip to Carolina Dragway to run 11s. Thanks to Gerald, the Trans-Brake is installed, works great. However, new problems include the rims are spinning inside the tires even on a my test launch at 3100 that cut a weak 1.79.

Next run turned it up to 3700 and around 17psi on boost. Something was off on the two step though as it left at 4200@17psi, shocked the rear tires hard and unloaded on the rebound. Also turned the rims about 3inches. Cut a 1.64, then all the problems. The transmission is for sure slipping, I was at 89mph and 3rd gear @6300RPMS. Even had to shift to 4th to get thru the 1/4 off the limiter. Fu**.

So, the only thing thats truly "built" on my whole setup is f'in up, should have tried a stock 4l80E.

However, made it home and beat up on a Heads/Cam GTO. Guess I should be thankful for something.

Video: http://youtu.be/o4m9dxeLUyo?hd=1

[chrisheltra]

So I still have a shot at getting a 10 first? Sorry about your troubles Rob.

[jmd]

what color was the h/c gto? srry to hear about your trouble.

[Foose04]

Someone needs to get it done man, best of luck to you. You got the suspension/drivetrain working, that seems to be 80% of the battle on these heavy rigs. I've had the HP since day one, just not everything to make it work for me.

JMD it was red, said he was from Georgia. He's in the video after the first run.

[Carlrx7]

manuals FTW. lol slips?, change the clutch. answer your phone bitch!

[gearmesh, inc.]

I never have had much faith in complete transmissions that are sold via long distance. When there is a problem, diagnostics are done long distance as well. Sometimes the whole transmission has to get truck freighted back to its maker for a solution.

I feel for you, Rob. Those people sent you the wrongly configured 4L80E transmission to you to start with. Then they want to try to modify it into the configuration that you originally wanted via long distance wrenching by me. From what I gathered on the phone with these guys this week, the transbrake valve body they sent isn't quite like a ground up built configuration that you originally wanted. They told me that they do modifications to the case passages when a transbrake configured unit is built in house. Obviously, your current case isn't modified in their usual manner, so they are attempting to do it all from the valve body side. Apparently, it still isn't right.

As far as transbrakes go on 4 speed autos, generally they don't release as fast as what folks are accustomed to in an older, simpler 2 or 3 speed auto. There are lots more fluid passages with longer runs and it takes more time for reverse oil to dump when the transbrake is released. You can't fight physics.

A 4L80E physically is one stout piece. But just like any other auto, valve body issues can wipe out a well built rotating assembly.

[L.C.]

manuals FTW. lol slips?, change the clutch. answer your phone bitch!

I don't think Rob likes vehicles with three pedals anymore... :poke:

[bwelch]

What company built the trans?

[LXtasy]

CKPERFORMANCE built the transmission

[Foose04]

Game time. After some more research and talking with Gerald about everything, I decided to start fresh with a whole new build/trans. I decided on Jakesperformance, as his bread and butter is 4l80E's and theres some fast rides running his 80e.

I'll find out soon, got a couple days off to start the install, drink beer, then finish install. This is Jakes 2.5 Build, with billet forward hub and billet input shaft and with transbrake. He said it's a beast and one bad bitch, I hope so.

That said, 10's this weekend??!! Damn I hope this SOB can get the job done already.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s192/blackhawkawd91/7f1f420d.jpg

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Rain tires looking strong....

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s192/blackhawkawd91/e84adebb.jpg

[1iron]

Is that jack stand really on the shock or does it just look like that?

[Foose04]

Sure do, it's the only point I have to get the truck high enough to clear the bell housing under the side frame rails.

[Carlrx7]

Sure do, it's the only point I have to get the truck high enough to clear the bell housing under the side frame rails.

its called bigger jacks!

p.s. get off the computer and get back to work!!

hit me up if ya need a hand. im gonna install this 2 step one more time. (probley gonna take me all week) lol

-Carl

[bambooi]

Very nice.

[minytrker]

So you still didnt learn a lesson about mail order transmissions? I would have went with Gerald hands down. Hope this one works out better and you can get your 10sec pass.

[bwelch]

I have a tranny jack if you want to borrow it. Its alot better than a floor jack.

Pm me if you need it.

[Carlrx7]

he has a bottle of jack he usually lets me drink, then it just falls on me. lol

[bwelch]

This is it.


http://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-capacity-transmission-jack-3185.html

[bambooi]

This is it.


http://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-capacity-transmission-jack-3185.html

I will need to borrow that one day. :bigthumb:

[Kenny Mcdonald]

So I still have a shot at getting a 10 first? Sorry about your troubles Rob.

I got a buddy with a silver truck that has one of those 10 second slips if you need to borrow it.:poke:

[chrisheltra]

I got a buddy with a silver truck that has one of those 10 second slips if you need to borrow it.:poke:

I was hoping I could borrow one of his 9 second slips one day. :hysterical:

[Foose04]

Well swing and a miss on the swap. The old transmission has a short tail housing shaft, the new one is long shaft, so it doesn't load as far on the output shaft. Couple searches and sure enough there is two different styles. No racing till next weekend now. Have to order the longer slip yoke and mod the DS again. Damnit.

[LXtasy]

You can't just unbolt the tailshaft and swap them over?

[BigdaddyDupree]

the output shaft on the transmission is actually a different legnth much like how the turbo 350's are. so to swap that the whole trans would have to be pulled apart. simple mistake. take a pic of it with your fiance so we can see how much the difference is please sir. lol

[Foose04]

Well another concern is the shaft on the old trans has a good 1/8th inch movement. Not liking that at all, the new one is tight. Something seems very off with that.

[Foose04]

This is what I need....

Spicer 1350

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg335551GM%20400%201350%20Series%20Slip.jpg


This is what I have

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg332431GM%20400%201350%20Short.jpg


My Slip Yoke needs some

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLWQ6Q-UKVahtDImobvsvhuW09wcCRVq281kYNS_YI44jCoMMA

[MonteC]

This is what I need....

Spicer 1350

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg335551GM%20400%201350%20Series%20Slip.jpg


This is what I have

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg332431GM%20400%201350%20Short.jpg


Story of my life.

[LXtasy]

Story of my life.

:bigthumb: short and stumpy ftw

[Matts94Z28]

Joint and clutch got me a short yolk and modified the DS in one day. Maybe you will get lucky. Assuming that is who you are going with.

Too bad its not a 1310 yolk, I have the long one from my 3in DS sitting in the back of my Yukon.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

This is what I need....

Spicer 1350

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg335551GM%20400%201350%20Series%20Slip.jpg


This is what I have

http://www.riversidegear.com/driveshafts-and-driveline-parts/transmission-slip-yokes/general-motors-slip-yokes/images/rsg332431GM%20400%201350%20Short.jpg

My Slip Yoke needs some

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLWQ6Q-UKVahtDImobvsvhuW09wcCRVq281kYNS_YI44jCoMMA

Joint and Clutch ought to have it.

[MonteC]

I think foose had a bad run in with joint and clutch.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Joint and clutch got me a short yolk and modified the DS in one day. Maybe you will get lucky. Assuming that is who you are going with.

Too bad its not a 1310 yolk, I have the long one from my 3in DS sitting in the back of my Yukon.

Treed me. Damn, hope your not that fast at the track!

[MonteC]

Damnit shawn put pictures of your own old lady up. Youre confusing the hell out of me.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

I think foose had a bad run in with joint and clutch.

Ha ha who hasnt. That ole hippie makes EVERY shaft I take down there a lil too short lol

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Damnit shawn put pictures of your own old lady up. Youre confusing the hell out of me.

Hell mine dont look nuttin like that lol.

[MonteC]

Hell mine dont look nuttin like that lol.

At least Ill know who is typing.

[MonteC]

Ha ha who hasnt. That ole hippie makes EVERY shaft I take down there a lil too short lol


Maybe we should all pitch in and get Larry a new measuring tape for Christmas.

[Harry]

He did mine with no prob.

[chrisheltra]

Sorry to hear Rob.

[Matts94Z28]

He told my that I was going to break my aluminum shaft... he must not know me well. lmao

[bwelch]

I will need to borrow that one day. :bigthumb:

let me know

[namewastaken_0_0]

Once I get some cash rolling back in my pockets I will have my 4l60e built by gearmesh.....

As much as I would like to drop 3-4k on a RPM stage 4 or 5......For less than half the cost I can get it built.

I wish the 4l80e's could swap right into the tbss's.......hell I wish the 6l80e's could......


Good luck to you sir!

[Kenny Mcdonald]

Ha ha who hasnt. That ole hippie makes EVERY shaft I take down there a lil too short lol

They have done two shafts for me and both times they have been fine.:bigthumb:

[ShawnBoyMoody]

They have done two shafts for me and both times they have been fine.:bigthumb:

I probably gave him the wrong dimensions or something.

[Slow_Esuvee]

CKPERFORMANCE built the transmission

I had a faulty new ckperformance converter new out the box ... called postons the vendor i got it from told him i heard shit rolling around in it .. he said he got one out the box an it did the same thing .... put it in lasted about 5 miles ...... this was for a shitty 2004r though


wheel screws for the rims and another trick is ... when u put the tires on the wheel dont use any soap or lube makes it harder to put on but u have alot less chance of them spining on the wheel hth

[Foose04]

Rims have been screwed and tubed, so I hope all is well there now.

I've been doing some searching online, but I can't find a answer. My old trans is out and I noticed it doesn't have a o-ring on the input shaft. Me not being big auto guy I didn't look for it on the install and i'm almost positive if never had one. What problems will this cause? Also is there a chance this puppy is inside the convertor or trans now? I don't see inside the convertor, but hell I'm sure the pressure is pretty crazy in that area.

This green o-ring is what I was missing.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s192/blackhawkawd91/c38f09a4.jpg

[1 Slow Z]

He told my that I was going to break my aluminum shaft... he must not know me well. lmao

Matt I've been out of the game for awhile, but how to you break a driveshaft on jack stands?

[gearmesh, inc.]

Rims have been screwed and tubed, so I hope all is well there now.

I've been doing some searching online, but I can't find a answer. My old trans is out and I noticed it doesn't have a o-ring on the input shaft. Me not being big auto guy I didn't look for it on the install and i'm almost positive if never had one. What problems will this cause? Also is there a chance this puppy is inside the convertor or trans now? I don't see inside the convertor, but hell I'm sure the pressure is pretty crazy in that area.

This green o-ring is what I was missing.


That o-ring positively seals torque converter lockup release oil. Without it, you may or may not notice any difference in TCC operation. If the torque converter turbine hub has a tight enough fit tolerance to the OD of the input shaft, you probably won't have any lockup issues. However, in the spirit of good shop practice, it is best to have an o-ring there.

[Foose04]

Good to know. Thank you sir.