Should I swich to a Glide?

[1iron]

SBF

[White00gt]

The C4 will cause you issues.

[BAD BOB]

sure

[WWhittle]

I can tell you that another car with a similar setup to yours went from a C4 to a glide and slowed down 2 tenths on motor and picked up 3 tenths on the gas.

[OUTLAW]

My car was faster with a glide

[1998ta__1991rs]

if you buy one go ahead and get me one too

[bwelch]

I would do it.

[Carlrx7]

race car

[Harry]

The glide is a great street transmission.

I like mine. One shift and done.

[cliff-1972]

It only takes 16hp to operate a PG the least of all autos.Might not be as great of a street trans in my opinion,but awesome in a drag car:bigthumb:

[1998ta__1991rs]

It only takes 16hp to operate a PG the least of all autos.Might not be as great of a street trans in my opinion,but awesome in a drag car:bigthumb:

people drove around with them for 30 years and never complained

[Bradleyrj]

If my car ever makes it to track only duty, the first mod after weight loss of the street stuff will be a glide.

[gearmesh, inc.]

The glide is nice and light, but converter selection can be a pain. You either have to stall it for nitrous only, or for motor only to be optimum for either one.

With the 1.76 1st ratio of the glide, the converter stall becomes much more of the equation vs. the 2.48 1st ratio of a lot of the popular 3 speeds out there.

The 1.76 1st ratio of the glide will calm down your wheelies if you are lifting the front end excessively with your current 3 speed. If you run mostly motor only with no wheelie problems, then stick with your 3 speed. If you are mostly a heavy nitrous junkie, it is easier to make a glide work for you.

P.S. - If you put a glide behind a ford or mopar product, you may have to find some anti-rejection trans fluid to put in it so the rest of the car won't reject the foreign organ!:hysterical:

[RobertHolton1]

glide

[Chillerman]

SBF, nitrous, radial car. Currently running a C4 and 4.10 rearend. Hoping to run some 5.5x's this season.

It's only money, just do it Paul.

Darryl's body man came over tonight, car is going to him in a couple of weeks for repair and a new paint job.

[cliff-1972]

Well they might have drove around for thirty years with them,but as soon as the T350's and T 400's came out a whole bunch of people were swapping these 3spd auto's in.This is fact not presumption.I like PG also.But a better choice for a street driven drag car is a 3 spd auto in my opinion.This topic is about ya or na on using a PG,so I'll stop now with the who's right or wrong crap:bigthumb:

[White00gt]

^^ hey hey lets compromise run a turbo glide.. oh wait.. thats a 400 with 2 gears.. ahh, nvm lol AOD with elec O/D FTW :poke:

drove a pg on the street for 6yrs.. loved it/ and hated it.. and you probably think I hated it because of the 1.80 first... Wrong I hated it cuz no O/D... Same reason I hate to drive my 400 on the street not because of the 1.48 second or 2.10 first... because of no O/D/.. lol ok I'll quit now hahaha


but wait theres gearvenders FTMFW

[RobertHolton1]

what kind of struts do you have on the front?

[RobertHolton1]

heres what you do... put in the glide, 430 gear, 5500 stall convert, turn it all on from home and leave at 4800 lock down the struts =5.50

[RobertHolton1]

No but if people are going in the 5.0s and faster on 275s, im sure you can go some 50s

radials are more scientific than slicks once you figure the science behind them and figure out the when and wheres behind them they will work better than a slick

[RobertHolton1]

i seen a car(wagon) satuday that wouldnt get down the track straight if you pulled it with a tractor on slicks, put the radials on and lifted the tires about 2 ft off the ground and rode on out straight as an arrow

[RobertHolton1]

i think you will definately go faster with the powerglide with your set up...

[White00gt]

you don't want to run 275's... send them to me... :p

[White00gt]

i seen a car(wagon) satuday that wouldnt get down the track straight if you pulled it with a tractor on slicks, put the radials on and lifted the tires about 2 ft off the ground and rode on out straight as an arrow

wonder what was up with that....10yr old slicks probably.

[Mike]

wonder what was up with that....10yr old slicks probably.

+1

It's amazing what happens to 1 year old tires stored in the wrong conditions. Baked in the Sun for a few weeks will ruin any tire.

[OUTLAW]

275 you can do it

[ShawnBoyMoody]

C4 = wheelstands and you know I love me some wheelstands lol. Seriously tho every ford guy ends up going to a glide eventually. The real question becomes why didn't you bring this up BEFORE I dropped 1350 bucks on my C4? I coulda just bought yours lol.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Sorry, my bad. It won't come out until it or something else breaks.

All good. I just got mine back from Gerald. I'm ready to feel um lol.

[RobertHolton1]

1350 $$$ HOLEY COW Could have fixed you a glide for that

[ShawnBoyMoody]

1350 $$$ HOLEY COW Could have fixed you a glide for that

Maybe. Good parts cost money tho and no sense in skimping out. I think Ill have a good strong tranny that I can grow with. One day I want a motor like Brandon's and you need good parts behind a powerhouse like that.:bigthumb:

[ForceFed4g63]

Damn I wouldn't think $1350 would be a lot for a tranny lol. Used to paying twice that for a decent built one.

[MonteC]

Damn I wouldn't think $1350 would be a lot for a tranny lol. Used to paying twice that for a decent built one.


Its not, thats a good price for a PROPERLY built c4. :bigthumb:

[MonteC]

1350 $$$ HOLEY COW Could have fixed you a glide for that


Just wondering, who is building your transmissions? Your dad still doing it? I thought Ive heard David was messing with some of the older stuff.

[WTFWSAT]

Aod!!!

[White00gt]

^^ AOD is a good trans but the 2.40 vs the 2.46? of the C4 isn't really any change.

a 2.10, 400 or 1.80 glide are the tickets, but those gear sets along are around the price you see listed acouple post above.

[WWhittle]

I know what has been done on 275's. I just don't know how to do it. I also don't have the power to go low 5's. The car has been 5.72 and it has a little more power this year.

You learned how to get your car to go down the track on radials with the 3 speed, the powerglide will be a piece of cake.

[Darryl Buckner]

Aod!!!

+1. Nothing like watching the guys sweat in True Street on the 30 mile trip at 70mph on the open road, and you can just flip a switch for overdrive. Nothing helps a heavy pig like mine more then the 2.84 first gear..

[gearmesh, inc.]

1350 $$$ HOLEY COW Could have fixed you a glide for that

Good internals for a C-4 can add up some dollars in a sneaky way.

$150 hardened input shaft
$250 6 pinion forward planet
$100 intermediate servo
$300 for manual valve body. Add another $200 or so extra for transbrake.
$90 reinforced forward drum
$60 Raybestos blue clutches for high/rev clutch
=
$950 in parts so far

Add to this a paper/rubber kit, bushings, filter, band, and any other small parts that go into a detail built C-4. Then a little machine work to get 5 clutches to fit in the high clutch without resorting to thin steels that any experienced high performance trans builder knows won't take the heat. Never resort to thin steels on a dynamicly engaged clutch in order to make room for an extra clutch plate/plates.

Oh yea, and don't forget a little labor for the builder.

Once you get your initial hard parts investment over with in a C-4, future freshening up builds will only cost a fraction of the original build, as the good hard parts will already be in there.

[freddy231]

you forgot the 300.00 for the machine shop to cut the planets and hubs so you can roller rize it and get rid of those thrust washers. been building trannys and racing fords for 30 plus years. i got a glide in my toy. but i got a c4 in my street 66 mustang. but it is a street car.

[freddy231]

robert if you really fix a glide for racing 1350 won,t cover everything. you got to have a ultra bell a transbrake input shaft hardened clutch hub double ring servo rabestos clutchs band and o yea you got to find a case to cut up too. and if you going fast you need an aftermarket set of planets

[Harry]

robert if you really fix a glide for racing 1350 won,t cover everything. you got to have a ultra bell a transbrake input shaft hardened clutch hub double ring servo rabestos clutchs band and o yea you got to find a case to cut up too. and if you going fast you need an aftermarket set of planets

Yep. Good set of straight cuts, 1000.00.

[gearmesh, inc.]

you forgot the 300.00 for the machine shop to cut the planets and hubs so you can roller rize it and get rid of those thrust washers. been building trannys and racing fords for 30 plus years. i got a glide in my toy. but i got a c4 in my street 66 mustang. but it is a street car.

In my opinion, I think the jury may still be out on going full rollerized. If you are a class racer looking for any minuscule advantage over your competition, then I say go for it. On the other hand, bronze thrust washers can take more shock loading than the roller thrust bearings, although a little more running friction will be there.

Some transmissions have enough meat in the hard parts to still be strong enough despite cutting some thrust bearing pockets deeper to fit the roller thrust bearings. Some do not, such as the 4L60E. Lots of aftermarket performance trans builders will do the machine work to fit a rollerized thrust bearing under the sun shell of a 4L60E. The truth is, the factory plastic washer in this location never sees the thrust load of the entire rotating assembly. It is only there to keep the sun shell from rubbing metal to metal with the low roller clutch inner race. But, in order to make room for a roller bearing in this location, the low roller inner race has to be cut back narrower. I have seen these narrowed low roller inner races give up in cars that leave with lots of nitrous that can stick their power to the ground. This part in a 4L60E absolutely needs to stay at its full design dimension to hold up in hard leaving cars. The only time you will see the factory plastic washer fail in this location is due to the rear planet burning up, not due to raw power input.

[bwelch]

Yep. Good set of straight cuts, 1000.00.

$750 new on racingjunk

[RobertHolton1]

robert if you really fix a glide for racing 1350 won,t cover everything. you got to have a ultra bell a transbrake input shaft hardened clutch hub double ring servo rabestos clutchs band and o yea you got to find a case to cut up too. and if you going fast you need an aftermarket set of planets

o your not telling me nothing new...

[RobertHolton1]

my bad damn... throwing the fact sheet at me...lol

[freddy231]

gearmesh you won,t get an arguement from me on rollerrizing but alot of people ask for it now days. i still believe that the clutch size in the c4 is its limit but i have only been building them fo 30 plus years. good to see someone that thinks before they build though. most builders this day just remove and replace.

[gearmesh, inc.]

gearmesh you won,t get an arguement from me on rollerrizing but alot of people ask for it now days. i still believe that the clutch size in the c4 is its limit but i have only been building them fo 30 plus years. good to see someone that thinks before they build though. most builders this day just remove and replace.

Cutting pockets in C-4 hard parts to make room for roller thrust bearings hasn't been a detriment that I know of concerning the durability of its hard parts. In fact, most transmissions out there seem to survive just fine despite a little material being removed to make the required space. I just made a mention of caution concerning what I have come across on the 4L60 with a cut down low roller inner race. The issue of the aftermarket putting a roller thrust bearing there is just a solution looking for a problem.

You are right about most builders just removing and replacing parts. It definitely takes more effort to set a unit up for longevity in a high performance application. In addition to that, the occasional R&D time gets spent when going to where no one else has gone before. Hell, 10 years ago, you wouldn't dream of taking an AOD or 4L60E into the 9s or faster in the quarter.

[ShawnBoyMoody]

Gerald, I got to drive the car tonight and the tranny works great!. :ty:

[gearmesh, inc.]

Gerald, I got to drive the car tonight and the tranny works great!. :ty:

That's good to hear. Now go run it like you stole it until something breaks!

Warning: I like to build a transmission so it will last through at least 4 or 5 engine teardowns before you have to worry about it!

For $hits and giggles, me and Darryl have a running bet on what will give up first in that 8 second LTD of his. Will it be the motor or the AOD??????:hysterical:

[Darryl Buckner]

That's good to hear. Now go run it like you stole it until something breaks!

Warning: I like to build a transmission so it will last through at least 4 or 5 engine teardowns before you have to worry about it!

For $hits and giggles, me and Darryl have a running bet on what will give up first in that 8 second LTD of his. Will it be the motor or the AOD??????:hysterical:

So far a set of stock brown clutches in the front drum got welded together, but its all Reybestos reds now, and no complaints, hell the browns lasted a year. 3589LBS car has been 8.82 at 152mph, on its second season with only a fluid change and filter change..:bigthumb: