Tuning / Datalogging help

[PapaBear]

With my soon to add mods, I will be in need of some datalogging / HPTuners operation from someone. I know it will cost money for credits, and I'm more than willing to pay someone for that, but I just can't justify driving 250 miles one way for a $350 tune, or paying JP $450 for a tune.

Can anyone help me with datalogging, and uploading an updated tune via email?

Beer/food/cash is all I have to offer, lol.

Thanks guys in advance.

[Carlrx7]

what mods are you doing? honestly, you can't go wrong with going with electech's tune. and if you have any issues, he is local...

if you break it down,

100 goes towards credits
150 towards dyno time.
so he is only making 100 bucks, unless he ownes the dyno.

i can give you tips on how to start you out on tuning, but you would need a wb, (260+shipping).

do you own hptuners?

-Carl

[WWhittle]

Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say!

It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part!

Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

[minytrker]

Your best bet is to pay Jamie or JP for a tune and be done but that has already been recommended to you by almost everyone on here when you had problems the first time. After every recommending them and then you say its not worth it I doubt either one really want to mess with it.

[cmd]

Jamie and Jp are both very well versed in LS tuning. It's what they do for a living. Spend the money.

[1998ta__1991rs]

you should call jp, this is probably going to end up like last time

[Derek]

You know if you don't want go all full blown tune. And you like to do it your self still call Jeff he is a dealer for Diablo and has good pricing I have recommended a couple people that way and they have been quite happy with them. You are not gonna get the in depth tables of an expensive software but it will work for minor mods and if you ever change your mind. They have the ability to do an in depth tune and create files that you can upload with your handheld unit. One of their mopar guys is doing this and that motha is fast.

[BAD BOB]

although it is nice to do stuff yourself, i have seen first hand how difficult it is to grasp everthing that can and needs to be done to a tune to get the most out of it. JP has done cars for me at work and got me going on my personal stuff. He knows what he is doing and stands behind his work. As said before, dont skimp on the most important mod you do. all the other stuff dont mean shit if the tune aint right. take the extra you would spend on the beer and food for someone to help you and pay someone that will do it right and stand behind what they do!

Just my .02 cents

[minytrker]

I know JP doesnt charge $450 either, may want to check your pricing. There was a price increased recently with efi but he is still under that.

[PapaBear]

So I guess I need to break down real quick like. I already have a lot invested with my tune as of now, from someone who has treated me quite well from the get go, even without ever meeting him. I am not dead set against dealing with someone local, but I want to weigh all my options at this point and decide what's right.

I am AWD and cannot do "dyno time" around here without dealing with ShowZone, which I seriously do not want to do. So a road tune is all I can really get at this point. I will not pay JP $450 for an hour's worth of "seat time" in my truck. I'm quite confident that he has all the knowledge he needs and would do a fine job, but that's a little steep. Plus another $100 for a "tweak......." Nope.

Jamie, I have spoken with him a few times and feel totally confident in his abilities as well. But once again, dyno time can't happen. Still, $350 is not bad at all, but I'm hesitant to just jump on the opportunity at this stage in the game, which is why I'm trying to explore all my options. Call me stubborn or stupid or whatever you like for even posting this thread, but I really didn't ask you for your opinions at this point.....on with the story......

Alvin has tuned my truck and it has been great. I can drive to Mooresville and have him road tune the truck, but gas throws the costs all off. This was my plan all along. Vacation and tune time at one time........but it weighs on me because of the time off from work and the 12 MPG 500 mile trip.

Then I have the option of Alvin tuning the truck via email, for next to nothing. All I would need to do is buy HPTuners (large investment for one vehicle for someone with ZERO knowledge) and off I go right? Not so fast, there's one more option.

There's lots of smart guys on here that own HPTuners, and seem to be quite friendly in offering up advice, and bon fires, and swapping motors and what not, why not try and ask them if I could buy some credits and beer and have the best of both worlds?

And I get "flamed" in the CHP way for asking the question. I'm not stupid, I like to "talk" things out like this before I make a decision, so flame on. If I've learned anything from this place, its that car guys look out for car guys, and try and help them do the right thing the first time. That's what I was hoping for.

I also learned from this place to say what you feel. I'm doing that right now. Thanks for any help offered, hell, thanks for what was already posted, you got all of this out of me and thats what it needed.

Carry on.......and thanks again.

[PapaBear]

Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say!

It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part!

Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

It's not about the money. I have the money. It's about spending it wisely, something I cant seem to do. Which was the point of the thread.

:cheers

[PapaBear]

what mods are you doing? honestly, you can't go wrong with going with electech's tune. and if you have any issues, he is local...

if you break it down,

100 goes towards credits
150 towards dyno time.
so he is only making 100 bucks, unless he ownes the dyno.

i can give you tips on how to start you out on tuning, but you would need a wb, (260+shipping).

do you own hptuners?

-Carl

Can't do dyno. Wideband was installed today. No HPTUNERS. Nitrous outlet plate kit goes in this weekend or next, depending on work this weekend.

Your best bet is to pay Jamie or JP for a tune and be done but that has already been recommended to you by almost everyone on here when you had problems the first time. After every recommending them and then you say its not worth it I doubt either one really want to mess with it.

Never had problems with a tune. I didn't say it wasn't worth it. I said that I dont' want to spend $450 (yes this was what he told me) for a road tune.

you should call jp, this is probably going to end up like last time

Last time? You mean last time I asked for help and got these same responses? You guys pushed me away and made me to the point where I couldn't even convey what I wanted to say. This time, I'm not going out like that.

[98nbmz]

Jp told me 375. I paid more from Jamie at hhp due to dyno.

[PapaBear]

If Jamie had AWD dyno, the truck would have been there months ago.

[cmd]

I have a serious question. Why does the truck have to touch a dyno? My tbss was tuned by him and ran pretty damn strong and has good road manners to boot.. When the trans is finished and the stall reflashed it'll be going back.

[PapaBear]

It doesn't. But to drop $350 on a road tune when I could do it for way less? Why do that right now? When things get going more and I open the motor up, it will be with Jamie. That decision has been made already...until then, I need to try my damnedest to save all the money I can. Hence the reason for this thread.

[Carlrx7]

most tuners, after the initial tune fee, only charge around 100 bucks to retune it plus the cost of dyno time if you want a print out.

minytrker tuned mine twice, but i only paid once.

also was tuned by mike from orangburg, unlimited retunes just had to pay for dyno time..

if your serious about wanting to tune it yourself, pick up hptuners pro and ill show you everything you need to know on how to tune it yourself..

but first goto hptuner forum, register and start reading every thread in the gen IV section and then in the trans.. thats how i learned...

[BAD BOB]

It doesn't. But to drop $350 on a road tune when I could do it for way less? Why do that right now? When things get going more and I open the motor up, it will be with Jamie. That decision has been made already...until then, I need to try my damnedest to save all the money I can. Hence the reason for this thread.

well looks like you cant do it and why try and mess something up by overlooking something just to save a dollar. i think now you maybe should invest in the hp tuners and just tune it yourself and see how it works out! No trying to bash you, just trying to get the point across that you HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY!

[DolSVT00]

I have a serious question. Why does the truck have to touch a dyno? My tbss was tuned by him and ran pretty damn strong and has good road manners to boot.. When the trans is finished and the stall reflashed it'll be going back.

+1

And at the same time I also agree with Wes.

But for most mild bolt on setups honestly a dyno tune is a waste of money and I don't know why people pay what they do for it to be done. You can also get screwed on a dyno tune as I have seen more times than not, so its also just as risky. The only way I'd pay for a dyno tune is if I had one of the most reputable tuners for my specific setup in my back yard or had the deneiro to pay for some of the most reputable tuners to tune my junk..... This I know Wes has done in order to get his turbo car to work and it was money well spent.

With that said, I have personally heard good things about Jamie and JP both so I dont think you could go wrong with ither.

But I'll leave you with this last bit, I personally tune my and several other Ford vehicles with SCT software, and I have never once had the luxury of a dyno and some of the setups I've tuned include bigger cams, converters, Injectors, Maf's, Blowers, displacement changes, different fuel pumps (that are PCM controlled), I've always started by calibrating the Fuel trim's sitting in my driveway and done the WOT and driveability tuning on the street, and the race tuning at the track. I do Ford only, so I'm not much help to you other than what I've stated.

[BAD BOB]

its like last time, you couldnt figure out the issue with the truck so you had to pay someone else try and figure it out. sometimes if you cant do it you just have to pay someone that can

[Derek]

I can see where you are coming from. If your just gonna put a little gas on there, and you are running a wet system most of your tunning is already in line with the pill selection. So I'm guessing you just need to pull a little timing depending on the shot. You could also look into timing retard modules lingenfelter makes a decent one.

[WWhittle]

So I guess I need to break down real quick like. I already have a lot invested with my tune as of now, from someone who has treated me quite well from the get go, even without ever meeting him. I am not dead set against dealing with someone local, but I want to weigh all my options at this point and decide what's right.

I am AWD and cannot do "dyno time" around here without dealing with ShowZone, which I seriously do not want to do. So a road tune is all I can really get at this point. I will not pay JP $450 for an hour's worth of "seat time" in my truck. I'm quite confident that he has all the knowledge he needs and would do a fine job, but that's a little steep. Plus another $100 for a "tweak......." Nope.

Jamie, I have spoken with him a few times and feel totally confident in his abilities as well. But once again, dyno time can't happen. Still, $350 is not bad at all, but I'm hesitant to just jump on the opportunity at this stage in the game, which is why I'm trying to explore all my options. Call me stubborn or stupid or whatever you like for even posting this thread, but I really didn't ask you for your opinions at this point.....on with the story......

Alvin has tuned my truck and it has been great. I can drive to Mooresville and have him road tune the truck, but gas throws the costs all off. This was my plan all along. Vacation and tune time at one time........but it weighs on me because of the time off from work and the 12 MPG 500 mile trip.

Then I have the option of Alvin tuning the truck via email, for next to nothing. All I would need to do is buy HPTuners (large investment for one vehicle for someone with ZERO knowledge) and off I go right? Not so fast, there's one more option.

There's lots of smart guys on here that own HPTuners, and seem to be quite friendly in offering up advice, and bon fires, and swapping motors and what not, why not try and ask them if I could buy some credits and beer and have the best of both worlds?

And I get "flamed" in the CHP way for asking the question. I'm not stupid, I like to "talk" things out like this before I make a decision, so flame on. If I've learned anything from this place, its that car guys look out for car guys, and try and help them do the right thing the first time. That's what I was hoping for.
I also learned from this place to say what you feel. I'm doing that right now. Thanks for any help offered, hell, thanks for what was already posted, you got all of this out of me and thats what it needed.

Carry on.......and thanks again.


That's what you got but you didn't like the answer!

[PapaBear]

Some of u just don't get it.

For $100 in credits, 50$ in beer and food I get what I need.

All I n?®ed is a datalog from someone with HP tuners and then a reflash once I have the file. That's it.

So, please, if u have something to add now please do, but realize that I did not ask for fatherly advice. I know I have to pay to play, and I know I don't want to tune it myself. I want someone to help me with logging and flashing my truck. That's it.

And I never paid anyone to diagnose my problem. GM did thankfully. Now I'm tuned and time to start adding power on a fresh motor.

[PapaBear]

I can see where you are coming from. If your just gonna put a little gas on there, and you are running a wet system most of your tunning is already in line with the pill selection. So I'm guessing you just need to pull a little timing depending on the shot. You could also look into timing retard modules lingenfelter makes a decent one.

Thought about this, but would like to cover the tune first, and go that route as a last resort. Still an option though. Glad u understand why I don't want to drop $350+ for an easy adjustment.

[DolSVT00]

Some of u just don't get it.

For $100 in credits, 50$ in beer and food I get what I need.

All I n?®ed is a datalog from someone with HP tuners and then a reflash once I have the file. That's it.

So, please, if u have something to add now please do, but realize that I did not ask for fatherly advice. I know I have to pay to play, and I know I don't want to tune it myself. I want someone to help me with logging and flashing my truck. That's it.

And I never paid anyone to diagnose my problem. GM did thankfully. Now I'm tuned and time to start adding power on a fresh motor.

The only thing Wes is trying to say, and please don't take this the wrong way...

If you don't know anything about much of anything mechanical or don't have a ton of experience doing what you are trying to do, Its best to just pay the money to have someone reputable do it for you first, rather than have someone help you with all good intentions in mind and butcher it all up on accident.

[WWhittle]

So you want a tuner that's not really a tuner.

I know you have this all figured out, but I will just mention that just because someone may know how to use some software doesn't mean they will know how to tune your TBSS.

This reminds me of people who take their parts and pieces to an engine ASSEMBLER instead of an engine BUILDER because they don't understand that there is a big difference.

[WWhittle]

Got Tree'd by DovSVT00-

yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

[PapaBear]

The only thing Wes is trying to say, and please don't take this the wrong way...

If you don't know anything about much of anything mechanical or don't have a ton of experience doing what you are trying to do, Its best to just pay the money to have someone reputable do it for you first, rather than have someone help you with all good intentions in mind and butcher it all up on accident.

As the son of a master mechanic of 30 years, I have a good grasp of all things mechanical. I have been turning wrenches for 20+ years, but this is my first experience with a newer vehicle like this with all this computer stuff.

The tuner is covered and is quite reputable Wes. It's the distance and lack of HP tuners that is hurting me. If I had it it would be done now. I dont really wanna drop that kind of coin on something that I dont really intend to learn to use.

I get the feelin that u guys take me for some slouch, young kid with money to burn and no knowledge of what he is doing. This is far from factual. The only thing done to my truck other than trans build and headers (only cuz trans was out and it was convenient) is the alarm install.

I like doing this stuff, but don't really have the desire to spend all the time it would take for me to learn tuning. I have a newborn and am in school and work full time, so thats out at the moment.

Once again, I do thank you guys for trying to point me in the right direction, I really do. BUT... I made a thread asking for someone to do some logging for me. That's it.

[PapaBear]

So you want a tuner that's not really a tuner.

I know you have this all figured out, but I will just mention that just because someone may know how to use some software doesn't mean they will know how to tune your TBSS.

This reminds me of people who take their parts and pieces to an engine ASSEMBLER instead of an engine BUILDER because they don't understand that there is a big difference.

No that's not what I want. I want someone that possesses HP tuners, likes beer, and likes messin with cars. I thought that 100% of the people on this forum fit at least 2 out of 3 of these criteria. Tuner is handled and trusted and already paid.

[Carlrx7]

name the tuner..

[PapaBear]

Alvin at pcmforless. I believe I mentioned it before but if not I'm sorry.

[WWhittle]

nevermind........

[PapaBear]

Nobody thinks you are a "slouch, young kid with money to burn..........."

However, I do think you are too hard headed to listen to a bunch of people who have been there and done that.

I probably know as much or more about tuning as anyone on here and I still deal with the professionals when I need to. When my car cranks back up in a few weeks it's going straight to the dyno because dynos and professionals save you time and money in the long run.

You say you have the money, it isn't about the money, but the only reason you have given for not going to a professional is THE MONEY!

I quit!

I sincerely wish you luck.

Thanks for quitting. Only reason I have money is because I dont throw it away. If I dont have to spend the $ then why the hell would I?

Hard headed? For asking for help from someone with some computer software. Wow. Come on man. Sounds like you're the hard headed one for continuing your argument when I have tried to make it perfectly clear what my intentions are.

[WWhittle]

Thanks for quitting. Only reason I have money is because I dont throw it away. If I dont have to spend the $ then why the hell would I?

I deleted the post because I realize that you have your mind made up no matter what anyone says.

I wish you luck.

[PapaBear]

I deleted the post because I realize that you have your mind made up no matter what anyone says.

I wish you luck.

You n?®ed to go back and read. I said that when it's not a bone stock motor with a little juice on it, I will take it to Jamie. Until then, I will get by on an email tune. It's cheap, it's easy (if someone is willing to help) and its reliable. What's the problem here?

[Carlrx7]

Alvin at pcmforless. I believe I mentioned it before but if not I'm sorry.

opps, my bad, must of missed that post.. ill help ya out bud, just need to remburse me for the credits spent..

you could as alvin to send you his cable, ill help you set it up and sent him a log, then he can email you a revised tune..

then that would save you 100 bucks

im free on sunday as long as im not still hammerd drunk from rob and tara's party.. oh and my car doesnt blow up on the dyno, knock on wood...

-Carl

[PapaBear]

Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say!

It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part!

Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

So this is what you're carrying on about. That I won't listen to you about getting a "proper tune?".

This is a daily driven (almost) stock motor with a small chance of some nitrous in its future. I fully understand that your "race car" needs pros to tune it. Mine doesn't need very much at this point.

I totally understand where you're coming from, but not in my situation at this moment. Later down the road, it will happen.

[WWhittle]

You n?®ed to go back and read. I said that when it's not a bone stock motor with a little juice on it, I will take it to Jamie. Until then, I will get by on an email tune. It's cheap, it's easy (if someone is willing to help) and its reliable. What's the problem here?

I can read just fine. No problems here, good luck.

[PapaBear]

opps, my bad, must of missed that post.. ill help ya out bud, just need to remburse me for the credits spent..

you could as alvin to send you his cable, ill help you set it up and sent him a log, then he can email you a revised tune..

then that would save you 100 bucks

im free on sunday as long as im not still hammerd drunk from rob and tara's party.. oh and my car doesnt blow up on the dyno, knock on wood...

-Carl

Thanks Carl I appreciate it. Will be a little while but if you're still up for it I will take u up on that offer. Shouldn't be too bad, I'll talk with Alvin and get back with you.

[PapaBear]

I can read just fine. No problems here, good luck.

Thought u were quitting, lol.

Thanks for the well wishes.

Is it bad that im totally confident with someone's abilities to read a datalog an adjust a tune for something so minor via email? Someone with a proven track record with my vehicle? If you were a lightning guy, would u trust randy this way? Of course you would.

[ElecTech]

If Jamie had AWD dyno, the truck would have been there months ago.

I can tune it at ShowZone. I've used Skate's dyno many times before and have a good working relationship with them. If that is what you truely want, arrangements can be made. It can also be done on the street, if you wish. There is just now way to "really" guarantee that you got all it will give you.

It's really about what you are comfortable with.

[PapaBear]

Didn't know that Jamie thanks. Will be an option in the future for sure. I am fully confident you can handle it, and I hope you see where I'm comeing from. I just don't want to do it yet, I would rather put that money to the mods that will warrant me using your services in the future.

I have a few things to ask you about this if u don't mind. I will PM you about the $ side of it all.

[slowgreen99]

Holy hell. I find this more humerous than anything else, but I didnt read all the posts, so I have to ask....You are going to spray a vehicle that is daily driven, yet spend money/time with mail order stuff rather than in person, hands on tuning? Im not too sure how forgiving LS motors are, but if you ever change anything, you have to have a retune...which then means getting back with someone elses parts just to datalog a run/drive, so THEN you can send it to PCMforless, and THEN wait on them? Not to mention if you have a small issue (injector, tps, etc) they can show you right then and there and the problem can be fixed before waisting time on a "tune".

Im just trying to make sure im grasping everything.

Just put a carb on it and be done.

[98nbmz]

Didn't know that Jamie thanks. Will be an option in the future for sure. I am fully confident you can handle it, and I hope you see where I'm comeing from. I just don't want to do it yet, I would rather put that money to the mods that will warrant me using your services in the future.

If you pay Jamie to do it now, Im sure he will cut you breaks on slight adjustments in the tune. Your going to shoot the it, so my opinion is have him tune it now, cause your gonna need it tuned before you shoot it.

[PapaBear]

Damn you too! Lol

Once again, stock truck, getting some juice for weekend fun and a trip to the track every now and then. Rod bolts are being changed to ARP soon, and is so far the only real worry I had about spraying it.

The truck is daily driven because it's a blast to drive and I love it. Not because I have to.

All you guys act like this is something new. I don't get it. It's an LS motor and a measley little 75 shot.

[slowgreen99]

Damn you too! Lol

Once again, stock truck, getting some juice for weekend fun and a trip to the track every now and then.

The truck is daily driven because it's a blast to drive and I love it. Not because I have to.

well when that juice gets boring and you want to add some more, then you start your circus over?

[ElecTech]

Didn't know that Jamie thanks. Will be an option in the future for sure. I am fully confident you can handle it, and I hope you see where I'm comeing from. I just don't want to do it yet, I would rather put that money to the mods that will warrant me using your services in the future.

I have a few things to ask you about this if u don't mind. I will PM you about the $ side of it all.

No problem. Whenever you're ready. I can also help you get a log to send to Alvin, and could flash the new file for you. I would have to charge a little plus the license, but we can discuss that offline if you are interested.

[PapaBear]

well when that juice gets boring and you want to add some more, then you start your circus over?

No I start a different circus. A forged motor with H/C/I, and a bigger shot.

Once again this is only for some trips to the track, and a shot on the street every now and then. It's not like it's going to be used 100% of the time the truck is driven.

[slowgreen99]

No I start a different circus. A forged motor with H/C/I, and a bigger shot.

Once again this is only for some trips to the track, and a shot on the street every now and then. It's not like it's going to be used 100% of the time the truck is driven.

Ever had anything with nawz on it?

[WWhittle]

Holy hell. I find this more humerous than anything else, but I didnt read all the posts, so I have to ask....You are going to spray a vehicle that is daily driven, yet spend money/time with mail order stuff rather than in person, hands on tuning? Im not too sure how forgiving LS motors are, but if you ever change anything, you have to have a retune...which then means getting back with someone elses parts just to datalog a run/drive, so THEN you can send it to PCMforless, and THEN wait on them? Not to mention if you have a small issue (injector, tps, etc) they can show you right then and there and the problem can be fixed before waisting time on a "tune".

Im just trying to make sure im grasping everything.

Just put a carb on it and be done.



You're one to talk. There's no telling how much money you pissed away running up and down the highway going to the tracks, buying fuel and nitrous and entry fees, NOT TO MENTION ALL YOUR TIME, etc when you could have made one 2 or 3 hour trip to the dyno for a couple hundred bucks and been better off than you probably still are.

Not hating, but you know it's true. I bet if you could do it all over again, you would have cranked that rocket ship up and gone straight to the dyno wouldn't you?

[LXtasy]

Jaime did the blazers tune (all 500 of them lol) and it only has a cam, nitrous, and converter. Nothing fancy. Their was a noticeable increase in power from the first pull on the dyno to what we have now.

I will say this after reading on tbssowners.com for awhile. If you want alvin to keep on tuning it than go right ahead as he has tons of mail order stuff out there. Could there be more power to be made? Who knows. But IMO, and MY OPINION ONLY, it seems that you do not want to waste your time by going to Alvin to have him retune the vehicle once again, but rather spend the same amount of money doing such a thing. I could be wrong.

Why the need for a retune right now if you are going to get someone local to tune it after nitrous is installed? I am just curious on the wasteful spending on the same thing?

[PapaBear]

Driven heavily, never "owned". Never tuned never installed.

I know where you're goin with this. And I will not put the motor at risk with this by stepping it up until it blows because the 75 got boring. Write that down.

[PapaBear]

I want Alvin to adjust the tune to complement the nitrous. That's it. If he was in charleston, he would have already tuned it.

Later, when the nitrous is boring and I don't want do drive the truck so much, I will have a motor built by someone (not tackling that one myself) and tuned by Jamie.

[98nbmz]

I want Alvin to adjust the tune to complement the nitrous. That's it. If he was in charleston, he would have already tuned it.

Later, when the nitrous is boring and I don't want do drive the truck so much, I will have a motor built (not tackling that one myself).

So your going to shoot it, then have him adjust the log to it? Or your telling him what your gonna shoot it with then send it to him? I can see that being somewhat okay if you log it after you shoot it so he can make further adjustments on it.

[WWhittle]

So your going to shoot it, then have him adjust the log to it? Or your telling him what your gonna shoot it with then send it to him? I can see that being somewhat okay if you log it after you shoot it so he can make further adjustments on it.

Is he going to pull the plugs and mail them to him too?

[slowgreen99]

You're one to talk. There's no telling how much money you pissed away running up and down the highway going to the tracks, buying fuel and nitrous and entry fees, NOT TO MENTION ALL YOUR TIME, etc when you could have made one 2 or 3 hour trip to the dyno for a couple hundred bucks and been better off than you probably still are.

Not hating, but you know it's true. I bet if you could do it all over again, you would have cranked that rocket ship up and gone straight to the dyno wouldn't you?

With where I am now, yes, but in the beginning, hell no. Ive changed way too much shit to have gone then. Id still like to go now that I like where the car is. It wouldve been a waisted trip to go to the dyno then due to the fact that I had more issues than just a tune. The car has had problem after problem after problem with parts, not "tunes", but to answer your question, yes, id love to go to a dyno to have someone check it out and see where it stands.

[PapaBear]

So your going to shoot it, then have him adjust the log to it? Or your telling him what your gonna shoot it with then send it to him? I can see that being somewhat okay if you log it after you shoot it so he can make further adjustments on it.

Gonna log it then hAve him adjust to my plans, log it, and do again if need be.

And all it will cost is credits and whatever else Carl wants I guess....bring on the jokes.

[PapaBear]

Is he going to pull the plugs and mail them to him too?

Actually it came up in our conversation but no.

Thought you were quitting.

[WWhittle]

With where I am now, yes, but in the beginning, hell no. Ive changed way too much shit to have gone then. Id still like to go now that I like where the car is. It wouldve been a waisted trip to go to the dyno then due to the fact that I had more issues than just a tune. The car has had problem after problem after problem with parts, not "tunes", but to answer your question, yes, id love to go to a dyno to have someone check it out and see where it stands.

It's about that time- best money you will spend at this point.

[WWhittle]

Actually it came up in our conversation but no.

Thought you were quitting.


I wasn't talking to you was I?

[slowgreen99]

It's about that time- best money you will spend at this point.

Right after the trans and converter get redone. Pos is flaring bad. I plan to go after the winter slowness. Id like a 7531 first, but ill probably go with whats in it now.

[Carlrx7]

you wont even feel a 75 shot.. i had it on my accord and i was like,, 'thats it?' if only spraying on the weekend go 150..

arp rod bolts? umm.. i think that requires you to machine the caps, look into the katech ones..

p.s. my ls2 has stock rod bolts, 14psi. close to 800whp, you dont need them..

-Carl

[WWhittle]

Right after the trans and converter get redone. Pos is flaring bad. I plan to go after the winter slowness. Id like a 7531 first, but ill probably go with whats in it now.

Get the 7531 first. You will get alot more out of the tune with a 7531. Especially if you are keeping the plate.

[slowgreen99]

Get the 7531 first. You will get alot more out of the tune with a 7531. Especially if you are keeping the plate.

Thats why I said that. It seems they are getting down on pricing too.

[PapaBear]

I wasn't talking to you was I?

Looks like it.

http://tapatalk.com/mu/625b04c9-71b8-a983.jpg

And I responded that yes the mailing of plugs came up but no it won't need to happen.

[98nbmz]

you wont even feel a 75 shot.. i had it on my accord and i was like,, 'thats it?' if only spraying on the weekend go 150..

arp rod bolts? umm.. i think that requires you to machine the caps, look into the katech ones..

p.s. my ls2 has stock rod bolts, 14psi. close to 800whp, you dont need them..

-Carl

I used arps with no machining. Agreed 75 is kinda boring.

[WWhittle]

Thats why I said that. It seems they are getting down on pricing too.

Steve Jackson had a couple for sale for about $400 not too long ago. Not sure if he sold them or not. I told Robert Holton about it too, he may have got one of them.

[slowgreen99]

Steve Jackson had a couple for sale for about $400 not too long ago. Not sure if he sold them or not. I told Robert Holton about it too, he may have got one of them.

Alright. Ill look around. Maybe ill convince Chris that his is worthless since he doesnt use it often :poke:

[BAD BOB]

you wont even feel a 75 shot.. i had it on my accord and i was like,, 'thats it?' if only spraying on the weekend go 150..

arp rod bolts? umm.. i think that requires you to machine the caps, look into the katech ones..

p.s. my ls2 has stock rod bolts, 14psi. close to 800whp, you dont need them..

-Carl

what kind of machining?

[WWhittle]

Looks like it.

http://tapatalk.com/mu/625b04c9-71b8-a983.jpg

And I responded that yes the mailing of plugs came up but no it won't need to happen.

Looks to me like i was talking to 98nbmz.

Do you just like arguing with me? If so, just say it. I can argue all night long.

[PapaBear]

you wont even feel a 75 shot.. i had it on my accord and i was like,, 'thats it?' if only spraying on the weekend go 150..

arp rod bolts? umm.. i think that requires you to machine the caps, look into the katech ones..

p.s. my ls2 has stock rod bolts, 14psi. close to 800whp, you dont need them..

-Carl

75 is still up in the air until I talk back with Alvin. I want to stick with what he wants to do via email. 75 was pulled out of my ass to get a point across. Never was set in stone.

I'll look at the katech ones. Never heard about machining the caps.

[PapaBear]

Looks to me like i was talking to 98nbmz.

Do you just like arguing with me? If so, just say it. I can argue all night long.

Yeah I'm kind of enjoying it. Don't know the point of it but oh well

Sure you were talkin TO him. But what were you really trying to say? What were your intentions? To get a reaction out of me and show how naive you think I am right?

Thought you were quitting.

As far as doing this all night, sorry. It's bed time. I would love to, but 4 am comes early. I'll miss u though

Sleep tight!

[WWhittle]

Alright. Ill look around. Maybe ill convince Chris that his is worthless since he doesnt use it often :poke:

Chris could be using his alot more than he is. Not sure if he is to that point yet or not? I'd be glad to show him atleast one trick that would help him if he doesn't already know it.

[WWhittle]

Yeah I'm kind of enjoying it. Don't know the point of it but oh well

Sure you were talkin TO him. But what were you really trying to say? What were your intentions? To get a reaction out of me and show how naive you think I am right?

Thought you were quitting.

As far as doing this all night, sorry. It's bed time. I would love to, but 4 am comes early. I'll miss u though

Sleep tight!



You make it out to the track very often?

[slowgreen99]

Chris could be using his alot more than he is. Not sure if he is to that point yet or not? I'd be glad to show him atleast one trick that would help him if he doesn't already know it.

I was picking at the track time. His car is slowly coming around. It has a beast in there somewhere.

[PapaBear]

You make it out to the track very often?

Sure don't. Wanna beat up on my slow truck? Or wanna beat up on me?

Dont know what got u goin so much but it sure was surprising. I did learn a lot from this thread though. You guys did succeed in making me think about a couple of more angles to this adventure. Thanks for the dialogue. That includes you Wes. No ill will was ever meant.

[Carlrx7]

what kind of machining?

was told that the extra clamping force requires the big end to be re honed to make round again..

big debate over on the ls1tech forum,, some say yes, others no, then some on asking why rehone with arp bolts but not katech.......











because race car....:hysterical:

[WTFWSAT]

Chris could be using his alot more than he is. Not sure if he is to that point yet or not? I'd be glad to show him atleast one trick that would help him if he doesn't already know it.

Not anywhere close to that point. Ill be the first to tell you im clueless when it comes to tuning. The 7531 in my car is being used for a 2/3 step thats it! 1iron helped me out last weekend with a few things but im open to learn from whoever. :cheers

[399stroker]

:gears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng

[minytrker]

Is he going to pull the plugs and mail them to him too?

:hysterical:

[Darryl Buckner]

Is he going to pull the plugs and mail them to him too?

Wes, just shut up, what do you possibly know about nitrous? You have a carb and the plugs doesn't matter on a 75hp shot, you didn't know that.lol :hysterical:

[KRYPTONITE]

Ok... I have Looked over this entire Post, And yes my head is hurting, But To me I enjoy tuning and figuring out shit on my car By myself anyone can Take there shit to the Dyno and Pay someone to tune there shit or Make it run Better, Takes alittle Time and Brain Thinking to tune yourself... But is your tuner gonna go to the track with you every weekend,....NO... Maybe If I had Wes money I could hire me a Full time tuner.:hide:.. To me I would just rather figure it out and learn Myself, I enjoy it more, I dont understand Whats the Big Deal with Him asking for alittle input without the smartass remarks,

Thats just How I look at it, some might think Im wrong but I dont care, I enjoy Driving up the road maiking blast up and down the HIGH WAY and going to tracks testing and tuning, :bigthumb:

[schardbody]

i didnt read the whole thread but i have HPtuners (not pro) i'd sell ya pretty cheap, i havent messed with any GM stuff in years, sitting ontop of the refrigerator collecting dust.

there are no credits on it right now but i have the serial key and everything you would need to get going.

otherwise i'd just pay someone local to do it, ontop of knowing its right you'll also be supporting AMERICAN workers and shops in our community that support us and share the same passion.

and i also have a problem with Alvin and kelly, so i'm a little biased.

[MonteC]

Ok... I have Looked over this entire Post, And yes my head is hurting, But To me I enjoy tuning and figuring out shit on my car By myself anyone can Take there shit to the Dyno and Pay someone to tune there shit or Make it run Better, Takes alittle Time and Brain Thinking to tune yourself... But is your tuner gonna go to the track with you every weekend,....NO... Maybe If I had Wes money I could hire me a Full time tuner.:hide:.. To me I would just rather figure it out and learn Myself, I enjoy it more, I dont understand Whats the Big Deal with Him asking for alittle input without the smartass remarks,

Thats just How I look at it, some might think Im wrong but I dont care, I enjoy Driving up the road maiking blast up and down the HIGH WAY and going to tracks testing and tuning, :bigthumb:

Talking about tuning carbs or tuning efi? Two completely different animals.

[WWhittle]

Ok... I have Looked over this entire Post, And yes my head is hurting, But To me I enjoy tuning and figuring out shit on my car By myself anyone can Take there shit to the Dyno and Pay someone to tune there shit or Make it run Better, Takes alittle Time and Brain Thinking to tune yourself... But is your tuner gonna go to the track with you every weekend,....NO... Maybe If I had Wes money I could hire me a Full time tuner.:hide:.. To me I would just rather figure it out and learn Myself, I enjoy it more, I dont understand Whats the Big Deal with Him asking for alittle input without the smartass remarks,

Thats just How I look at it, some might think Im wrong but I dont care, I enjoy Driving up the road maiking blast up and down the HIGH WAY and going to tracks testing and tuning, :bigthumb:


Yeah I think you totally missed the point. If you know how to tune, the by all means, tune it yourself. That's not the case for the OP.

And when is the last time (or ever) you have seen anyone at the track tuning my car besides me?

[mark king]

Wes, just shut up, what do you possibly know about nitrous? You have a carb and the plugs doesn't matter on a 75hp shot, you didn't know that.lol :hysterical:

wow lol:hysterical::hysterical: