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gearmesh, inc. 11-15-2011 11:50 AM

I was just studying that exploded pic of the supercharged 5.8 engine. I didn't see any variable camshaft timing phasers at all! Maybe Ford is learning their lesson.

You would think that a car commanding such a high price tag would at lest have shorty headers on it.

Oh well, maybe the common man can find a used one of these 10 to 15 years from now for an affordable price.

REDRAGTOPRS 11-15-2011 11:51 AM

I read somewhere that the price tag would be just under 100k for the 2013 gt-500. The ZR1 corvette cost 110k. What I read, may be inaccurate though.....

ForceFed4g63 11-15-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by REDRAGTOPRS (Post 142213)
I read somewhere that the price tag would be just under 100k for the 2013 gt-500. The ZR1 corvette cost 110k. What I read, may be inaccurate though.....

I will be absolutely stunned beyond belief if they DOUBLE the price tag, I don't know that I believe that...

chrisheltra 11-15-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by REDRAGTOPRS (Post 142213)
I read somewhere that the price tag would be just under 100k for the 2013 gt-500. The ZR1 corvette cost 110k. What I read, may be inaccurate though.....

Link?

REDRAGTOPRS 11-15-2011 12:32 PM

I do a lot of online reading, and saw it a while back, but it was mere speculation, considering that Ford redid all their tooling and ran extensive testing on this new model, which is completely revamped from the old model. I would not be surprised if it's 80k-100k at all. This new shelby cannot be compared to the old 55k shelby in my opinion, as it sets a new benchmark for the car, and even the top speed is no longer governed at 155, but rather 200mph. That is supercar status, which is why I put it up there in price with the ZR1 vette.....

chrisheltra 11-15-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by REDRAGTOPRS (Post 142220)
I do a lot of online reading, and saw it a while back, but it was mere speculation, considering that Ford redid all their tooling and ran extensive testing on this new model, which is completely revamped from the old model. I would not be surprised if it's 80k-100k at all. This new shelby cannot be compared to the old 55k shelby in my opinion, as it sets a new benchmark for the car, and even the top speed is no longer governed at 155, but rather 200mph. That is supercar status, which is why I put it up there in price with the ZR1 vette.....

Its direct performance competitor is the ZL1. Why would Ford price themselves out of the market?

So because you read a lot online, its new, is "capable" of reaching 200mph and has supercar status it will be 80-100k?

Just because a car can go a certain speed doenst mean it will. My car is capable of going faster than 155 but cant due to the speed limiter and I have tested it myself.

clubracergt1 11-15-2011 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc. (Post 142212)
I was just studying that exploded pic of the supercharged 5.8 engine. I didn't see any variable camshaft timing phasers at all! Maybe Ford is learning their lesson.

You would think that a car commanding such a high price tag would at lest have shorty headers on it.

About the cam phasers, I didn't see them either; but it looks like the cam covers have openings for the CVT solenoids. I guess time will tell. And I agree on the manifolds. Hell, the GT gets better looking 'headers' than that.

1iron 11-15-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by REDRAGTOPRS (Post 142220)
I do a lot of online reading, and saw it a while back, but it was mere speculation, considering that Ford redid all their tooling and ran extensive testing on this new model, which is completely revamped from the old model. I would not be surprised if it's 80k-100k at all. This new shelby cannot be compared to the old 55k shelby in my opinion, as it sets a new benchmark for the car, and even the top speed is no longer governed at 155, but rather 200mph. That is supercar status, which is why I put it up there in price with the ZR1 vette.....

:hysterical:

BigdaddyDupree 11-15-2011 02:00 PM

You can't compare a corvette to a Mustang. That's like comparing a 2500hd to a Tacoma. Different classes completely

REDRAGTOPRS 11-15-2011 02:34 PM

Riiiiiiggggggghhhhhhttttt.......(rolls eyes).....

BigdaddyDupree 11-15-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by REDRAGTOPRS (Post 142237)
Riiiiiiggggggghhhhhhttttt.......(rolls eyes).....

?????

1iron 11-15-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc. (Post 142212)
I was just studying that exploded pic of the supercharged 5.8 engine. I didn't see any variable camshaft timing phasers at all! Maybe Ford is learning their lesson.

You would think that a car commanding such a high price tag would at lest have shorty headers on it.

Oh well, maybe the common man can find a used one of these 10 to 15 years from now for an affordable price.

Are you sure that is the 5.8? The blower is not the same.

LXtasy 11-15-2011 02:53 PM

Just wait to compare vehicles when prices come out.

Shane361 11-15-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree (Post 142233)
You can't compare a corvette to a Mustang. That's like comparing a 2500hd to a Tacoma. Different classes completely

Sure ya can...HP to Weight Ratio, Cost per HP ratio..for starters.

What is Ford using a 2.3 when 4.0 are out?

gearmesh, inc. 11-15-2011 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1iron (Post 142241)
Are you sure that is the 5.8? The blower is not the same.

Hell, I figured that since the exploded pic was in the same series of pictures as the new GT500, it was probably the one that belongs in it :confused: Who knows for sure? I know I don't have the money to buy one to find out!

Darryl Buckner 11-15-2011 04:39 PM

Don't forget the local Ford dealers putting a limited production mark up of 20,000. on it right off the rip..:bigthumb:

03SVTCOBRA 11-15-2011 05:38 PM

Ide be suprised if its over 70k. Im not sure why they chose to use that shitty blower anyways over whipple/KB. They already had huge sucess with the cobra jet using the whipple on the 5.4 motor... why not keep the 4.0 whipple on the 5.8 and make some huge power. Im curious to see how much these things will hold on stock parts... and then when aftermarket parts come out ill have to sell my soul to try and squeeze one in my cobra. For now ill have to crank up the boost on the lil 4.6 to keep up.

LXtasy 11-15-2011 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Darryl Buckner (Post 142252)
Don't forget the local Ford dealers putting a limited production mark up of 20,000. on it right off the rip..:bigthumb:

Winner

chrisheltra 11-15-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Darryl Buckner (Post 142252)
Don't forget the local Ford dealers putting a limited production mark up of 20,000. on it right off the rip..:bigthumb:

I saw that at the dealers on the GT500's while shopping for my car. So we already know they will cost at least $20,000. :razz:

namewastaken_0_0 11-16-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisheltra (Post 142183)
Where the GT500's considered "cheap speed" mustangs? I would have thought that term would have been reserved for the GT.

Poor Chevy spends all that time and money developing the ZL1 just to be out done before their car is ever released. Bwahaha.

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7:41 on the burgerkingring is not bad at all.......for the price tag suspected of/at/around 54k or so.......not many cars, in fact I cannot think of another car that can compare for the price: performance.

I honestly did not read about the new GT-500......but none the less......the ZL1 is pretty bad ass....Chevy and Ford have really revamped their performance based cars.

None the less, both will be great cars, hope they compare in pricing, and will be great to see both on the ring, and at the track and see who's mod's better.


edit: Seems like Boss 302's are going for 74k to 48k......I am guessing with riceflation that the ZL1 will be at/around that same price range.


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