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1998ta__1991rs 10-26-2011 04:33 PM

warrenty work is warrenty work, doesnt matter which dealership does it, sounds like they found somthing that could have been the tech's fault

yota 10-26-2011 04:36 PM

i dont mind them doing the work, just the lack of communication in what is actually going on with it... i would think that moving my truck from columbia to charleston would be worthy of at least a phone call letting me know...

PapaBear 10-26-2011 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs (Post 139444)
warrenty work is warrenty work, doesnt matter which dealership does it, sounds like they found somthing that could have been the tech's fault

Didn't think of that. That would suck for sure.

Which service writer at Crews are you dealing with?

yota 10-26-2011 04:41 PM

original deal was through david... last people i talked to were the service director (forgot his name but was necessary to get folks working in the right direction) and mark, the service manager...

yota 11-26-2011 05:32 PM

i guess for now the saga is mostly over with... just got back home up here in new york from a long couple days of traveling and stuffing my face with turkey... thanks to all who have helped, or offered help, throughout this whole ordeal and especially to rob and his brother for hooking me up and making it super easy to get on the road back home- y'all rock, period... now, to get my hearing back after cruising ~1000 miles at 2500+ rpms with my new exhaust additions lol

MonteC 11-26-2011 06:55 PM

awesome. Glad we could help.

yota 12-05-2011 06:08 PM

if it's not one thing it's another... now i am getting another misfire- to the point that the CEL is blinking while driving and it's running like shit again... at least there's no strange noises and oil pressure is good! hoping it's something simple like wires or a single coil... oh well, i guess it'll be going back into the shop tomorrow to get fixed, again... this just sucks because of christmas and all the money i've already spent on this thing lately and this repair bill will have to come out of money i was saving for a tune :(

Matts94Z28 12-05-2011 06:55 PM

I'm expecting a fs thread soon.

Hope you get it fixed!

ShawnBoyMoody 12-05-2011 08:06 PM

Should it not be under warranty?

yota 12-05-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ShawnBoyMoody (Post 145389)
Should it not be under warranty?

depends on what the issue is... not sure if i can get parts that had nothing to do with the long block warrantied... i will see after they figure out what's wrong with it though

yota 12-06-2011 06:20 PM

just dropped it off at a local guy up here about 10 minutes from my house in NY... he is diagnosing the misfire for me and as long as it's not mechanical in nature and tied to the engine itself, he will be fixing it as well as doing a full dyno tune for the converter, headers, etc... at this point, i really think that i just have a coil that has gone bad (at 200k miles- not surprising...) hopefully i can kill all the gremlins with one stone this time and be done with it... i should have the diagnosis this week and tuning will take place next week... after that, we'll see what happens... he has a beautiful black silvy ss with a mildly built lq9 and a centrifugal blower with only about 55k on it sitting in his garage for sale... iirc he said it made about 450 at the wheels at 5psi (detuned from 12psi for "economy" and to be a driver) it's the truck i want and the price is awesome, i'm just not sure if i'm ready to make the leap or if i want to continue punishing myself with this tahoe...

1998ta__1991rs 12-06-2011 07:17 PM

buy the truck

Matts94Z28 12-06-2011 07:26 PM

Buy it!

yota 12-06-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs (Post 145509)
buy the truck

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Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 145513)
Buy it!

give me $10k for the tahoe and i will buy it tomorrow :lol: he's only asking $17k for it as it sits and kbb puts that truck at close to $25k private party value... it doesnt sound like the truck is really being marketed/advertised at the moment, it's just sitting in his garage... maybe if it's still around by late spring

Sean 12-06-2011 09:41 PM

Your Tahoe sounds like a certain red Camaro that I know of.

Matts94Z28 12-06-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 145535)
Your Tahoe sounds like a certain red Camaro that I know of.

Exactly why I sold it!

Sean 12-06-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 145540)
Exactly why I sold it!

Damn debil!

yota 12-12-2011 11:12 PM

2 of the plug wires were melted through... dumbass at crews chevy routed the wires wrong around the headers, exposing the wire to the primaries and rendering my kevlar sleeves useless... i never even thought to check it... it is fixed and tuned now finally and i should be picking it up either wednesday or thursday... tuner says it runs/drives 100% better than it did when i dropped it off to him- we'll see... i'm excited though

i also found out that the converter i have is a non-lockup converter... i'm not entirely sure what that means but i was told that you cant get accurate dyno numbers without being able to lock the converter... i'll run it for now, but i see a new converter going in at some point... still, i got the converter for $150 so i can't complain too much...

MonteC 12-12-2011 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yota (Post 146200)
2 of the plug wires were melted through... dumbass at crews chevy routed the wires wrong around the headers, exposing the wire to the primaries and rendering my kevlar sleeves useless... i never even thought to check it... it is fixed and tuned now finally and i should be picking it up either wednesday or thursday... tuner says it runs/drives 100% better than it did when i dropped it off to him- we'll see... i'm excited though

i also found out that the converter i have is a non-lockup converter... i'm not entirely sure what that means but i was told that you cant get accurate dyno numbers without being able to lock the converter... i'll run it for now, but i see a new converter going in at some point... still, i got the converter for $150 so i can't complain too much...

Ugh that sucks. Terrible gas mileage and the transmission is going to run hotter. You can have that converter reworked with a clutch.

yota 12-12-2011 11:57 PM

i got 15 mpg on the way up from charleston, untuned so i'm not too worried about that, and i'm betting that it will be a little bit better after the tune... i will probably add a trans cooler soon though for peace of mind until i decide if i want to swap the converter or have it re-worked with a lock up clutch... another option would be the 4.2 trailblazer converter... i dont want to go all out on a custom converter just yet until i start planning the big stuff next year ;) we'll see, but for now, i just want to drive my truck for more than a week and enjoy it :)

Matts94Z28 12-13-2011 12:01 AM

Have a cooler put on it tomorrow. Seriously.

yota 12-13-2011 12:05 AM

it will be after new years before i can (financially) as the repairs and tune just took all my truck money for the month and then some... luckily, i carpool to work and can keep it mostly parked until then...

Harry 12-13-2011 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by yota (Post 146210)
it will be after new years before i can (financially) as the repairs and tune just took all my truck money for the month and then some... luckily, i carpool to work and can keep it mostly parked until then...

Man, You have had some kinda luck with that vehicle. Persistence pays off though. :bigthumb:

yota 01-02-2012 09:14 PM

well, i'm losing 1st and 4th gear now when the trans gets up to operating temperature and my CEL is back on... i'm taking it back in to the shop this week to see what's up with it but based on the codes stored last time it was there, and how the trans is acting, i think i have some shift solenoids going bad... gonna try to get it patched back together for now and save up for a new trans and converter... i'm thinking about either an RPM or performabuilt... thoughts on either? i wish i was still down there because i know who would be building it- unless i could get one done there and shipped to me... anyway, here's the links to the 2 im looking at... gearmesh?

http://www.performabuilt.com/level-2.html

http://rpmtransmissions.com/levelvauto.html

Carlrx7 01-02-2012 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yota (Post 148013)
well, i'm losing 1st and 4th gear now when the trans gets up to operating temperature and my CEL is back on... i'm taking it back in to the shop this week to see what's up with it but based on the codes stored last time it was there, and how the trans is acting, i think i have some shift solenoids going bad... gonna try to get it patched back together for now and save up for a new trans and converter... i'm thinking about either an RPM or performabuilt... thoughts on either? i wish i was still down there because i know who would be building it- unless i could get one done there and shipped to me... anyway, here's the links to the 2 im looking at... gearmesh?

http://www.performabuilt.com/level-2.html

http://rpmtransmissions.com/levelvauto.html

if you already have the trans, just have gearmesh or montec build it for you.

gearmesh, inc. 01-03-2012 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yota (Post 148013)
well, i'm losing 1st and 4th gear now when the trans gets up to operating temperature and my CEL is back on... i'm taking it back in to the shop this week to see what's up with it but based on the codes stored last time it was there, and how the trans is acting, i think i have some shift solenoids going bad... gonna try to get it patched back together for now and save up for a new trans and converter... i'm thinking about either an RPM or performabuilt... thoughts on either? i wish i was still down there because i know who would be building it- unless i could get one done there and shipped to me... anyway, here's the links to the 2 im looking at... gearmesh?

http://www.performabuilt.com/level-2.html

http://rpmtransmissions.com/levelvauto.html


According to the solenoid truth tables for the 4L60 series transmissions, a failure of shift solenoid A can cause no 1st and 4th. Being as these shift solenoids are failure prone with high mileage, just go ahead and replace both of them while the pan is down. They usually run for about $25 each or a little less.

As far as the two trans companies you mentioned, either one will survive behind a mildly modded truck. One thing that does suck on these trucks is the factory trans tune for line pressure. The factory tune will give you max line pressure at WOT all the way through 1st, but after it lays into 2nd, the factory tune will cut line pressure back 30-40% even with you still holding WOT all the way into the shift for 3rd. This does not bode well for long term durability for the 3-4 clutches in any 4L60E no matter how well it is built.

I don't care for the prices of trannies from those companies that much, but when you are miles away from the usual people you have faith in, you don't have much choice.

minytrker 01-03-2012 01:26 AM

I wouldnt run a performabuilt 4l60 if you paid me. I have seen first hand atleast 10+ of there 4l60's NOT work and only 2 that did work.

gearmesh, inc. 01-03-2012 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by minytrker (Post 148031)
I wouldnt run a performabuilt 4l60 if you paid me. I have seen first hand atleast 10+ of there 4l60's NOT work and only 2 that did work.

I couldn't remember all the mail order brands you tried so far with less than stellar success. I just went to those two websites Yota mentioned and looked their advertised build sheets over for component content. Whether that's what they actually have in them or not, or whether it is just inattention to detail that cause early failures, is anyone's guess.

I think a lot of internet transmission companies start off with the original company founders doing the building that actually have the knowledge to build a trans right. When they hit the big time, they get get bogged down with the administrative side of the business and resort to hiring flunkies that get paid by the hour instead of by the job and that's when quality control hits the crapper. Of course, the higher prices that you see have the cost of rework already factored in to where the company isn't really losing money when a trans comes back with a problem.

For the customer, long distance mail order warranties and the shipping costs required suck, versus being able to beat on the local builder's door in person if your recently built trans has an issue.

minytrker 01-03-2012 02:25 AM

RPM probably builds the best trans out there out of the company's who do alot of internet sales. They have some very fast cars out there with RPM trans in them. We had a RPM 4l60 that worked pretty good but Gerald went threw it and made it better without a doubt. I would still trust buying a trans from RPM if getting one from Gerald is not an option, he would be my first choice.

Silver-Dollar 01-03-2012 08:05 AM

I ran a performabuilt for 3 years behind a 3200 stall, daily driven 7 days a week. never had a problem. I may have went with Gerald to build mine if it was not a daily driver. I needed quick turn around and not wait for it to be on the table so to say.

minytrker 01-03-2012 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver-Dollar (Post 148037)
I ran a performabuilt for 3 years behind a 3200 stall, daily driven 7 days a week. never had a problem. I may have went with Gerald to build mine if it was not a daily driver. I needed quick turn around and not wait for it to be on the table so to say.

Yours is 1 of the 2 I listed as working, both were just daily drivers. I have not seen one work that was in something that was raced or had a power adder.

Illusions 01-03-2012 03:00 PM

my griffin transmission 4L60e is holding up just fine in the turtle blaze

MonteC 01-03-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Illusions (Post 148062)
my griffin transmission 4L60e is holding up just fine in the turtle blaze

Well when you only put down 250hp you dont need much transmission.

Matts94Z28 01-03-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonteC (Post 148064)
Well when you only put down 250hp you dont need much transmission.

:poke:

MonteC 01-03-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 148065)
:poke:



Same goes for you Mr. 200rwhp.

Silver-Dollar 01-03-2012 08:05 PM

I never raced mine per se. I did hammer it a good bit though. A lot of guys on performancetrucks.net ran them with adders of each kind. Go with what you feel comfortable with.

Rob and Gerald always get honest reviews. I rather keep the money local. But, I needed the truck to down a minimal time (less than 4 hours from drop off).

yota 01-03-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlrx7 (Post 148019)
if you already have the trans, just have gearmesh or montec build it for you.

i have the trans that is in the truck, but i am 1000 miles away from charleston :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc. (Post 148025)
According to the solenoid truth tables for the 4L60 series transmissions, a failure of shift solenoid A can cause no 1st and 4th. Being as these shift solenoids are failure prone with high mileage, just go ahead and replace both of them while the pan is down. They usually run for about $25 each or a little less.

As far as the two trans companies you mentioned, either one will survive behind a mildly modded truck. One thing that does suck on these trucks is the factory trans tune for line pressure. The factory tune will give you max line pressure at WOT all the way through 1st, but after it lays into 2nd, the factory tune will cut line pressure back 30-40% even with you still holding WOT all the way into the shift for 3rd. This does not bode well for long term durability for the 3-4 clutches in any 4L60E no matter how well it is built.

I don't care for the prices of trannies from those companies that much, but when you are miles away from the usual people you have faith in, you don't have much choice.

i dont care for their prices either but... also, my truck has been tuned, and will be tuned again for the new trans so that should take care of those issues... i'm thinking shift solenoid failure as well, but we'll see when the codes are pulled

Quote:

Originally Posted by minytrker (Post 148031)
I wouldnt run a performabuilt 4l60 if you paid me. I have seen first hand atleast 10+ of there 4l60's NOT work and only 2 that did work.

interesting... they are the #1 recommended trans from the folks i have been talking to up here, based on their first hand experience... not saying you are wrong, you just bring the other side to the table... thanks for the info

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc. (Post 148032)
I couldn't remember all the mail order brands you tried so far with less than stellar success. I just went to those two websites Yota mentioned and looked their advertised build sheets over for component content. Whether that's what they actually have in them or not, or whether it is just inattention to detail that cause early failures, is anyone's guess.

I think a lot of internet transmission companies start off with the original company founders doing the building that actually have the knowledge to build a trans right. When they hit the big time, they get get bogged down with the administrative side of the business and resort to hiring flunkies that get paid by the hour instead of by the job and that's when quality control hits the crapper. Of course, the higher prices that you see have the cost of rework already factored in to where the company isn't really losing money when a trans comes back with a problem.

For the customer, long distance mail order warranties and the shipping costs required suck, versus being able to beat on the local builder's door in person if your recently built trans has an issue.

this makes sense...

Quote:

Originally Posted by minytrker (Post 148033)
RPM probably builds the best trans out there out of the company's who do alot of internet sales. They have some very fast cars out there with RPM trans in them. We had a RPM 4l60 that worked pretty good but Gerald went threw it and made it better without a doubt. I would still trust buying a trans from RPM if getting one from Gerald is not an option, he would be my first choice.

i have read this many times over, all over the net (about RPM trannies)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver-Dollar (Post 148085)
I never raced mine per se. I did hammer it a good bit though. A lot of guys on performancetrucks.net ran them with adders of each kind. Go with what you feel comfortable with.

Rob and Gerald always get honest reviews. I rather keep the money local. But, I needed the truck to down a minimal time (less than 4 hours from drop off).

i dont care about downtime at this point, i just want to do it and do it right... ive been without my truck since this thread was started and i want it back on the road... weighing my options at this point, but thanks for the input

LXtasy 01-03-2012 10:41 PM

Wasn't robs "built 4l80e" a permabuilt that grenaded?

yota 02-18-2012 05:52 PM

should be getting the truck back in the next week or so... i ended up just ordering a circle d 2600 stall converter for the truck and am waiting on it to get here and get installed along with a new pump seal, new set of shift solenoids, a new filter, and will be flushing and filling it with bg synthetic... after talking it over with my guy up here and everything, i think this will take care of the issues... once that is in and sorted out, i'm probably going to swap the cam out and be done with it for a while

speaking of cams... there is a guy up here selling a TSP 224R 224/224 .581"/.581" 112LSA Cam along with a set of comp 918 beehive springs and TSP 7.400" hardened pushrods all for $250 that i'm thinking about grabbing... thoughts?

Silver-Dollar 02-18-2012 06:11 PM

Good price for cam package. IMO, it may be a bit much for a Tahoe and 2600 stall, unless you are running 4.10 or 4.56 gears. I had that setup in my truck (4300lbs) with a 3200 stall and 4.10 gears.


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