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brokesmoke 08-12-2014 10:45 AM

Duramax Turbo Help/ Suggestions
 
So- I have an appointment set next month to take my truck and get the trans completely built and to have a bigger turbo put in at the same time in my DD 05 Duramax. Right now I have it down to get a Borg Warner 67.7 FMW turbo with a race cover and 5.4 inlet and I'm having the stock 1.1 exhaust housing swapped over to a .9 ar for better driveability.

Any other suggestions of what to run? I'm thinking about just stepping g it up to a S472 as I think it will give me room to grow in the future, but don't know how it will affect my overall driveability in the meantime.

Just rambling I guess...

MonteC 08-12-2014 12:17 PM

Lmao. You didnt listen to anyones suggestions last month, why are you asking again? Just so you wont listen to them and do what ever you wanted to in the first place?

s14.5gonewide 08-12-2014 01:11 PM

im not v8 guy but when i see 62-67's on them its usually in twins... at thats pump gas/e85.. i would think your dirtymax is going to be blowing more hot air than boost...

allot of guys on hear are very knowledgeable with trucks and how to extract the most power efficiently... i would listen to them and not just take it to a shop with open ended promises.. unless you have an open checkbook...
the members hear may take your money but its done right, is a proven combo with quality parts and at a fair price...

i was all gung ho about a 04 crew cab duramax made a few calls to members hear and they told me to stay far away... truck i have now may be gas but i have had it 3 years and have only done a waterpump and im over 200k and the truck was one am ember told me to look at so yea...

PapaBear 08-12-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MonteC (Post 253708)
Lmao. You didnt listen to anyones suggestions last month, why are you asking again? Just so you wont listen to them and do what ever you wanted to in the first place?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, and don't know if he called you or not after the last thread, but the only suggestions he got on that other thread was to take it to YOU for a transmission.

He wants to do more, and found a shop to do it, and he gets blasted for not taking recommendations on who to do the trans? Instead of bashing him and talking trash, why not suggest to him that you do the transmission and your sister shop CPS could work on the turbo work for him?

I seem to remember the same bashing going on when my build was taking place. I also seem to remember the same people being a part of it. Instead of getting all bent out of shape when someone uses someone other than you, why not just ask what else you can do to win their business?

Again, devil's advocate here. Carry on. :bigthumb:

Carlrx7 08-12-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PapaBear (Post 253710)
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, and don't know if he called you or not after the last thread, but the only suggestions he got on that other thread was to take it to YOU for a transmission.

He wants to do more, and found a shop to do it, and he gets blasted for not taking recommendations on who to do the trans? Instead of bashing him and talking trash, why not suggest to him that you do the transmission and your sister shop CPS could work on the turbo work for him?

I seem to remember the same bashing going on when my build was taking place. I also seem to remember the same people being a part of it. Instead of getting all bent out of shape when someone uses someone other than you, why not just ask what else you can do to win their business?

Again, devil's advocate here. Carry on. :bigthumb:

You made a legitimate post.

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lol

DIGGLER 08-12-2014 06:28 PM

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http://www.xtremediesel.com/Garrett-...bocharger.aspx

MonteC 08-12-2014 06:41 PM

Shit. I fucked up and came back to this web site. Why the fuck did I do that.

cliff-1972 08-12-2014 06:46 PM

Call River City Turbo 1 877 488 7264.They can build you what you need.They most of the turbos for these diesel performance companies anyhow.

Matts94Z28 08-12-2014 08:28 PM

I'm a dealer for Reed at Work Turbochargers...

GreebeanZ28 08-12-2014 09:39 PM

Id call a ford or dodge dealer. Lol.

Carlrx7 08-12-2014 09:43 PM

Pepboys ftmfw!

minytrker 08-12-2014 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 253720)
I'm a dealer for Reed at Work Turbochargers...

He did my turbo's....does great work.

Matts94Z28 08-12-2014 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by minytrker (Post 253725)
He did my turbo's....does great work.

He is fantastic to deal with and has helped us with a few projects. Good people for sure.

brokesmoke 08-15-2014 12:41 PM

Damn- Sorry i haven't been back on to check for replies until today.

I'm merely only asking for opinions. I've tried calling Griffin Transmission as suggested multiple times on different days and never got an answer so i continued looking around. I want someone that i will be able to contact and get a hold of that is performing the work. Simple as that.

I found a shop (Diesel Addiction) that has a very good reputation with building Duramax specific trucks based out of North Carolina. I have been able to speak multiple times with the person that will be building my truck for 30+ minutes at a time for every phone conversation I've had with them. To me- that is a vitally important part of customer service and owning a business; and frankly how you win customers.

Believe me i am very open to suggestions. I value every ones opinion as it will in turn only help me down the road I'm going. From the research I've done and looking at the compressor/flow map the turbo seems that it would work very good in the operating parameters for which i plan to use it and has a very competitive price considering it already has a forged milled wheel and a race cover on it.

There were a few specialized things i wanted done during the installation of the turbo and building of the trans and i was unable to locate anyone local that had the capabilities to do it and after talking with the shop and speaking with other people that have had custom work done there they were extremely pleased. There are few things that i wanted done that i couldn't just buy "in a kit". A one stop shop seemed like it would be the best route to me to get done what i want done.

My biggest thing is the time to get it all done- i don't really have the time to bounce from shop to shop or wait for this part here and there, ETC. Sorry if i offended anyone- I just want to do what would seem best for me in the long run and makes the most sense.

brokesmoke 08-15-2014 12:48 PM

I've looked into this turbo extensively, actually.

I decided to completely switch everything over and go with a non-vvt turbo as it would eliminate any potential issues with the vanes in the long run and eliminate the restrictions associated with the vanes. From everything I've seen the non-vvt turbos are hands down better at keeping EGTs down and long term reliability as there are no extra moving parts inside. The biggest deciding factor was the ability to easily change the turbo internals to match future modifications to the truck and still be on a S400 framed charger that will hold up to the abuse better than a smaller s300 frame.

DIGGLER 08-15-2014 02:29 PM

Vvt- I dislike stuck vanes, but like the exhaust brake function while towing. Ill never make anywhere north of 500hp, so I have no use going to something larger. I like how this turbo can make that kind of power with no other custom stuff, just swaps in place of the stock turbo and the air intake goes right back on. I think I will either go with this one or the stage 1 once I make a change since I only use the truck for towing/hauling.

brokesmoke 08-15-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGGLER (Post 253794)
Vvt- I dislike stuck vanes, but like the exhaust brake function while towing. Ill never make anywhere north of 500hp, so I have no use going to something larger. I like how this turbo can make that kind of power with no other custom stuff, just swaps in place of the stock turbo and the air intake goes right back on. I think I will either go with this one or the stage 1 once I make a change since I only use the truck for towing/hauling.

That's an excellent turbo for that application- and probably the route I'd go given the choice of VVTs. I just want something different i guess.. lol

If i hauled anything else besides ass i would get another VVT solely due to the turbo braking capabilities. I currently have zero use for a turbo brake as the most i've ever hauled and will probably ever haul with the truck is Papabears' TBSS when it breaks again.. :)

Matts94Z28 08-15-2014 05:03 PM

Just curious... what specialized things are they doing that others are not capable of? I'm not asking as a figure from CPS, but asking as a fellow duramax owner.

1 Slow Z 08-15-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brokesmoke (Post 253791)
I've tried calling Griffin Transmission as suggested multiple times on different days and never got an answer so i continued looking around. I want someone that i will be able to contact and get a hold of that is performing the work. Simple as that.

When you say "never got an answer" do you mean nobody picked up the phone at their shop when you called, or do you mean that you spoke with someone but didn't like what they had to say?

GreebeanZ28 08-15-2014 07:22 PM

I just snap my fingers and Rob answers, so I dunno.

brokesmoke 08-15-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 253804)
Just curious... what specialized things are they doing that others are not capable of? I'm not asking as a figure from CPS, but asking as a fellow duramax owner.

Not a problem at all-

One of the biggest things is building the entire turbo intake setup. I'm ordering a S&B cold air intake kit for an LBZ and will only be using the enclosed air filter housing out of the kit. They will be then making a 5" intake tube from the S&B box over to the turbo inlet out of mandrel bent pipe. The S&B stock piping can not be used due to the 5.5" turbo inlet. They are also building/mandrel bending a 4" down pipe for it as the exhaust housing is 4" and getting rid of the 3" down pipe I already have installed. I also wanted the y bridge replaced so I don't run the chance of blowing the gasket out of my stock one so they will be fabricating a new y bridge also to match the 7" tall turbo pedestal. The turbo pedestal will have a provision added to it for a waste gate for when I build the motor or twin over this turbo later. They are swapping the standard 1.1 exhaust housing over to a .9 to help spool up and drive ability since it will still be my DD.

As far as the transmission they actually measure and verify the after market parts and have extras of different sizes on hand to swap them around for different tolerances or will machine down anything that does not fit correctly. A lot of Allison rebuild/build kits come with generic parts and most people just shove them in the trans and hope they work because they "came in a kit" but do not take the time to verify tolerances of the replacement internals. They will also be tuning the ecm and tcm to match the new characteristics of the trans and turbo.

There are other things, but those are the biggest.

brokesmoke 08-15-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 Slow Z (Post 253811)
When you say "never got an answer" do you mean nobody picked up the phone at their shop when you called, or do you mean that you spoke with someone but didn't like what they had to say?

Unfortunately I was unable to get a hold of anyone after calling myself a few times. Not sure the reason why or what was going on but I didn't get the "warm and fuzzy". I was never actually able to speak with anyone there so I kept looking. Sorry I don't know the owner of the shop on here if they are on here as i'm a pretty new member- so I'm not trying to put anyone down, etc- i just found something more suitable for my needs- that is all.

I really was looking for a one stop shop kinda deal as I do not have the time to take the truck here for a week and then there for a week and then over there for a week and chase parts in between and then re tune it for what everyone did and hope it comes out OK. I had to make a decision of what was best for me.

DIGGLER 08-16-2014 09:46 AM

what kinda power are you looking to make and what all is done to the engine?

Matts94Z28 08-16-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by brokesmoke (Post 253819)
Not a problem at all-

One of the biggest things is building the entire turbo intake setup. I'm ordering a S&B cold air intake kit for an LBZ and will only be using the enclosed air filter housing out of the kit. They will be then making a 5" intake tube from the S&B box over to the turbo inlet out of mandrel bent pipe. The S&B stock piping can not be used due to the 5.5" turbo inlet. They are also building/mandrel bending a 4" down pipe for it as the exhaust housing is 4" and getting rid of the 3" down pipe I already have installed. I also wanted the y bridge replaced so I don't run the chance of blowing the gasket out of my stock one so they will be fabricating a new y bridge also to match the 7" tall turbo pedestal. The turbo pedestal will have a provision added to it for a waste gate for when I build the motor or twin over this turbo later. They are swapping the standard 1.1 exhaust housing over to a .9 to help spool up and drive ability since it will still be my DD.

As far as the transmission they actually measure and verify the after market parts and have extras of different sizes on hand to swap them around for different tolerances or will machine down anything that does not fit correctly. A lot of Allison rebuild/build kits come with generic parts and most people just shove them in the trans and hope they work because they "came in a kit" but do not take the time to verify tolerances of the replacement internals. They will also be tuning the ecm and tcm to match the new characteristics of the trans and turbo.

There are other things, but those are the biggest.


Sounds like a fun build. What is the build time?

BigdaddyDupree 08-16-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brokesmoke (Post 253820)
Unfortunately I was unable to get a hold of anyone after calling myself a few times. Not sure the reason why or what was going on but I didn't get the "warm and fuzzy". I was never actually able to speak with anyone there so I kept looking. Sorry I don't know the owner of the shop on here if they are on here as i'm a pretty new member- so I'm not trying to put anyone down, etc- i just found something more suitable for my needs- that is all.

I really was looking for a one stop shop kinda deal as I do not have the time to take the truck here for a week and then there for a week and then over there for a week and chase parts in between and then re tune it for what everyone did and hope it comes out OK. I had to make a decision of what was best for me.

Rob built the trans in my powerstroke austin and it does great. Has a triple disk converter and it's been flawless. I've never had to call to the shop I have always just called robs cell if i needed him but he is my nigga. Now that red headed douche bag in the office i'm not suprised no one answered. He's a jew.

brokesmoke 08-16-2014 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGGLER (Post 253828)
what kinda power are you looking to make and what all is done to the engine?

Tops should be somewhere between 650-700 on the stock motor and I'm hoping for 1300 ft/lbs of torque. I guess we'll see.

brokesmoke 08-16-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Matts94Z28 (Post 253834)
Sounds like a fun build. What is the build time?

It's going to be late next month. They said it will take them about a week to build and tune everything.

brokesmoke 08-16-2014 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree (Post 253839)
Rob built the trans in my powerstroke austin and it does great. Has a triple disk converter and it's been flawless. I've never had to call to the shop I have always just called robs cell if i needed him but he is my nigga. Now that red headed douche bag in the office i'm not suprised no one answered. He's a jew.

I guess that's my problem is I don't know enough people... haha

DIGGLER 08-16-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brokesmoke (Post 253842)
Tops should be somewhere between 650-700 on the stock motor and I'm hoping for 1300 ft/lbs of torque. I guess we'll see.

have you priced a rebuild?

brokesmoke 08-16-2014 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGGLER (Post 253847)
have you priced a rebuild?

Not extensively, no. One of the biggest reasons why is time for me and also finding someone local that has experience building them- which is basically non-existant. I'm sure it will be the next thing on my list is to start gathering parts and materials for the engine build.

DIGGLER 08-16-2014 06:07 PM

they are pricey. i think the broke part of your name is misleading.... lol

brokesmoke 08-17-2014 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGGLER (Post 253855)
they are pricey. i think the broke part of your name is misleading.... lol

That's exactly why it's there. Ballin on a budget...

brokesmoke 08-17-2014 12:42 AM

From what I've seen it's around 15K to build it how I'd want.

1 Slow Z 08-17-2014 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by brokesmoke (Post 253820)
Unfortunately I was unable to get a hold of anyone after calling myself a few times. Not sure the reason why or what was going on but I didn't get the "warm and fuzzy". I was never actually able to speak with anyone there so I kept looking.

How would you get a "warm and fuzzy" if you never spoke to anyone? When did you try to actually call the shop? The reason I ask is because the shop is open from 8am to 6pm Monday through Friday and during those hours I personally have the phone on my hip all day. If you would have actually called and spoke to myself or Rob, we could have told you that between Griffin Transmission and Charleston Performance Solutions we might have been able to build you exactly wharf you're looking for. I'm sure nobody's upset that you're taking the truck somewhere else, just knida sucks for you having to drive up there and back when you drop/pick-up the truck. Not to mention the fact that you won't be able to swing by at anytime and take a look at the progress.


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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree (Post 253839)
Rob built the trans in my powerstroke austin and it does great. Has a triple disk converter and it's been flawless. I've never had to call to the shop I have always just called robs cell if i needed him but he is my nigga. Now that red headed douche bag in the office i'm not suprised no one answered. He's a jew.

Tyler, read your post again dun-dum. Don't you think the fact of me being a Jew would be a reason for me to always answer the phone? Every time that phone rings (minus the tellamarketers) there's a potential customer on the other end, which means dolls-dolla bills for the shop! I've actually been trying to get folks outta the habit of calling Rob's cell phone cause he has to stop building transmissions to talk on the phone, which means less dolla-dolla bills sucka! You just gotta do a little better on your Jew logic Tyler.

-Mike

BigdaddyDupree 08-17-2014 09:28 AM

I just like giving you hell Mikey. You know you my dawg

04ctd 08-17-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree (Post 253874)
I just like giving you hell Mikey. You know you my dawg

dont EVAH suspect a thread on CHP to be boring!!

Mike, glad to know you are there. good deal!
yeah, i usually text Rob, i know he's busy herding cats.

cliff-1972 08-17-2014 12:04 PM

What I have seen and gathered Diesel Addiction is a bolt kind of company.Meaning,they use other companies products,not fabbing their own(Suncoast transmissions,MPI turbo systems and etc.....).So more than likely they will swap your trans for a crate Suncoast built trans and MPI,SoCal or others turbo products and mounts.All this can be done locally.CPS,Diesel Performance and Rhino lining off Long Point Rd.,LionHeart Diesel of Rivers Ave and there's some others who can do bolt on.If you are trying for 650-700 RWHP you better start buying some internal parts now.Rods are going to bend.Also,don't take the word of any shop when they say one week.It always bites them in the ass:mrgreen:

DIGGLER 08-17-2014 12:43 PM

in case you get to looking for any stuff in the future, i have:
complete 2007 lbz engine turbo to oil pan (not sure i want to sell it though)
lb7 rods
lbz rods
lb7 pistons
lbz pistons
2 camshafts
flexplate
rear cover (i think)
2 sets of timing gears
2 oil pumps
oil pan
drivers side exhaust manifold

brokesmoke 08-17-2014 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 Slow Z (Post 253868)
How would you get a "warm and fuzzy" if you never spoke to anyone? When did you try to actually call the shop? The reason I ask is because the shop is open from 8am to 6pm Monday through Friday and during those hours I personally have the phone on my hip all day. If you would have actually called and spoke to myself or Rob, we could have told you that between Griffin Transmission and Charleston Performance Solutions we might have been able to build you exactly wharf you're looking for. I'm sure nobody's upset that you're taking the truck somewhere else, just knida sucks for you having to drive up there and back when you drop/pick-up the truck. Not to mention the fact that you won't be able to swing by at anytime and take a look at the progress.




Tyler, read your post again dun-dum. Don't you think the fact of me being a Jew would be a reason for me to always answer the phone? Every time that phone rings (minus the tellamarketers) there's a potential customer on the other end, which means dolls-dolla bills for the shop! I've actually been trying to get folks outta the habit of calling Rob's cell phone cause he has to stop building transmissions to talk on the phone, which means less dolla-dolla bills sucka! You just gotta do a little better on your Jew logic Tyler.

-Mike

Yeah I'm not sure why but I just never got an answer. Seriously not trying to down anyone or what ever - since I know you guys have the capabilities now I'll be looking for someone locally to service it among other things and maybe even do some other mods in the future. I know I'll swing by for a dyno run sometime after it's done. I called during the week I believe twice on a Tuesday, once the next day, and once the day after that all between 10AM- 3PM ish (always around my lunch hour or later). Like I said not sure why maybe the stars didn't line up, ETC..

brokesmoke 08-17-2014 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cliff-1972 (Post 253885)
What I have seen and gathered Diesel Addiction is a bolt kind of company.Meaning,they use other companies products,not fabbing their own(Suncoast transmissions,MPI turbo systems and etc.....).So more than likely they will swap your trans for a crate Suncoast built trans and MPI,SoCal or others turbo products and mounts.All this can be done locally.CPS,Diesel Performance and Rhino lining off Long Point Rd.,LionHeart Diesel of Rivers Ave and there's some others who can do bolt on.If you are trying for 650-700 RWHP you better start buying some internal parts now.Rods are going to bend.Also,don't take the word of any shop when they say one week.It always bites them in the ass:mrgreen:

That's the first I've heard of that personally. I've talked to about five other people that have had custom work done there- anywhere from custom engine builds for drag trucks to people like me that have had them fabricate a entire turbo kit for it and they have all been extremely pleased. I've talked to others on others also that have gone there for simple bolt-ons and had routine maintenance done and have had nothing but positive to say.

I've talked to them extensively and told them exactly what I wanted done and with what components, etc. They are using a suncoast gmax 5pac kit for the trans. I looked into buying a trans from Calvins in Louisiana and having it shipped here but it worries me if something goes wrong internally his shop isn't local to take it to for service and repair- and his price was about 1K more (mostly shipping trans here and core back)

I've talked to performance diesel in Mt. Pleasant and he said he doesn't build Allison transmissions but offered me a crate ATS transmission which I don't want. I've never heard of Lion Heart- ill have to look into that.


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