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Foose04 02-19-2013 02:55 PM

Fuel Issues Blues..
 
Well i'm still working on this issue. Started with the walbro 400's dying because of e85. Next I have 450's rated for e85, but still well short on fuel compared to what I used to have on my setup.

I ordered a Autometer 0-100 psi sensor to log pressure and new fuel filter.

The fuel filer was (4+ years old) :oops:, would this be enough to cause lean out up top? It's a Jegs 5" filter, rater at 1000HP for alcohol. 100 Micron.

Next up is remove the KB boost a pump to see if it's not feeding these 450 properly. Thoughts?

I tried base FP from 55psi to 70psi, all seems bring the same results, 100 duty cycle and lean she goes above 5k.

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WTFWSAT 02-19-2013 03:11 PM

Could the injectors be dirty? Fwiw i run a 100mic filter pre pump and a 10mic post. Your filter does look a little dirty, it could be the issue.

DolSVT00 02-19-2013 03:12 PM

Find trash can, throw boost a shit in it.

Its astounding how many engine's that garbage has hurt. Yet people still buy them.

I cant say enough how much I hate those things.

ElecTech 02-19-2013 03:29 PM

Rob,

Are you running a hotwire kit?

Qwik_Sn95 02-19-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFWSAT (Post 212769)
Could the injectors be dirty? Fwiw i run a 100mic filter pre pump and a 10mic post. Your filter does look a little dirty, it could be the issue.

Same on my setup. If your just running a 100 after the pumps its possible you have trash in the injectors. I'd run a 10 micron after the pumps befjr the rails. Theres a thread on the bullet recently that ended up being dirty injectors after changing all kinds of stuff. Also with that much pump what's the point in the boostapump?

Foose04 02-19-2013 04:29 PM

There's really no reason for KB at this point. I tested it by hitting the Hobbs switch with air and my base fuel pressure jumps about 15 psi when it's active but I have no idea how it acts under wot.

I'll try the filter tomorrow and disconnect/straight feed the pumps of the battery. See what happens.

It is possible after more search my injectors are dirty as well. I'll try that as next but likely send them to be checked and suck up buying some 120s or 160s.

Thanks for the tips guys.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElecTech (Post 212774)
Rob,

Are you running a hotwire kit?

I'm running a 10 gauge back to them, splitting to 12s inside the tank.

Carlrx7 02-19-2013 05:49 PM

A) injectors too small
B) dropping fuel pressure

Duct tape a rental FP gauge to the windshield.

Surprised your injectors have lasted this long @ 100% duty cycle.. ID1000's flow 127# at 4 bar, get them.

-Carl

Foose04 02-19-2013 06:26 PM

Snow ball chance, any where local that can flow/clean my 80s?

Might give these guys a call tomorrow. It's only money... God bless. :barf:

http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...p?productid=11

slowgreen99 02-19-2013 06:31 PM

Filters are over rated

oldskoolstang 02-19-2013 07:09 PM

I would look into getting some 120s or 160s. 80s seem to small to me with e85 at your power level.....

spdracr0 02-19-2013 07:51 PM

e85 will f up filters in a heartbeat. You got plenty of pump.

labelblack68 02-19-2013 08:07 PM

wanna sell those 80s?

TurboWS6 02-19-2013 08:55 PM

If you want to see if its the injectors

I got a set of siemens 80s out of my ride that are 8 months old and have about 500 miles on them you can swap and see the outcome, but I want them back, I am in Florence for the next few months. Ill be in the area on friday to check up on the house and sign my DD214 so we might be able to get together then. Shoot me a PM.

djfury05 02-19-2013 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foose04 (Post 212802)
Snow ball chance, any where local that can flow/clean my 80s?

Might give these guys a call tomorrow. It's only money... God bless. :barf:

http://fuelinjectorconnection.com/sh...p?productid=11

Lashway Motorsports in Florida can do the same stuff for $80.. I'm about to send a set in soon.. I too thought $18.50 per injector from FIC was ridiculous

djfury05 02-19-2013 10:46 PM

Also, give this link a look.. its got some good info and an excel spreadsheet to input your values etc and find what "should" work for you.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/fueling-in...pump-flow.html

WTFWSAT 02-19-2013 11:07 PM

I had mine cleaned and flowed for $50 i believe. If youre interested ill find the info.

1998ta__1991rs 02-19-2013 11:12 PM

I've got a brand new set of 80s at the shop if you want to swap them in to check

BAD BOB 02-19-2013 11:32 PM

bigger injector

Foose04 02-20-2013 01:27 AM

Thanks for all the help guys, i'll let you know tomorrow once the filter and sensor get installed. If it's still lean holding fuel pressure my problem is injector related. Thats the case I need add another 40 micron filter in the system to keep this from happening again.

ElecTech 02-20-2013 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwik_Sn95 (Post 212782)
Also with that much pump what's the point in the boostapump?

It will stabilize the voltage to the pumps. It will provide a regulated 14V even in the "off boost" mode. That can help if you have a weak alternator or overall low sytem voltage as it will work down to 10 V.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foose04 (Post 212789)

I'm running a 10 gauge back to them, splitting to 12s inside the tank.

The only reason I ask is if you are using the alternator as your source, log your system voltage in HPT and see that it is holding a steady voltage under heavy acceleration. I ran into this with my truck knowing I had enough injector and should have had enough pump and found that the alternator would drop out under hard acceleration and the voltage would drop to 10.9 V causing the pump output to drop dramaticly.

It is something to check but now I realize you are on 80's, i think that is your issue.

What rail pressure are you running?


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