I understand and I agree with you, especially about aftermarket stuff. But like I said, you can make the same argument with these cars. There are people deep into the 10's on completely stock, untouched motors on these cars, and Evo's with essentially the same motors are into the 9's on the stock block. You are absolutely right, it's about the engineering threshold, I just cringe when I hear people say "import" like it's a bad thing is all, especially when referring to DSM's. I guess I get a little defensive after all these years of hearing people bad mouth them (and no I'm not saying you did, I'm just saying in general)