discuss: Ferd 5.4 motah....

04ctd · 03-30-2013, 11:40 PM

pressure washed the motor (was funk-tac-ular)

got "water intrusion" in 2 coils.....

they put in 2 coils & 2 plugs today (why would plugs go bad?)

can i put LSx coils on it?

service writer said: i needed to do a fuel system clean ($200), and I should put all 8 plugs in it; at 158k miles.

BUT he also said i needed to do the fuel system clean, to clean the deposits off the bottom of the plugs, so they will come out safely & easily.

if so...how did they get the two plugs out today?

if I am going to do 8 plugs, should do i do better quality coils?
if water gets in the OEM coils, are they ghetto?
i got all the receipts on it, and it has been three other coils. (and he did NOT pressure wash it)

service writer said if that is the case, they need to check the ECM for the pulse width of the coil signal (he used a technical term, but I took a nap since then)

but basically, he said some of the ECM's are known to fry coils.

BigdaddyDupree · 03-30-2013, 11:41 PM

what year is it?

04ctd · 03-31-2013, 12:01 AM

2005.

1998ta__1991rs · 03-31-2013, 12:14 AM

Auto lite plugs and nothing but motor craft coils

AverageJoe · 03-31-2013, 06:46 AM

That truck is going to dollar you to death.

BigdaddyDupree · 03-31-2013, 07:57 AM

I know champion are one piece, are autolites also? I second motor craft coils.

MonteC · 03-31-2013, 10:09 AM

First mistake you took it to the dealer.

MonteC · 03-31-2013, 10:10 AM

Second mistake you pressure washed the motor. Are you going to a car show?

gearmesh, inc. · 03-31-2013, 11:18 AM

I gave up on Ford since they can't get a diesel right since the 7.3, can't put enough threads in the 2V heads to hold a spark plug for the long haul, and their stupid ass plug design on the 3V heads.

oldskoolstang · 03-31-2013, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc.

I gave up on Ford since they can't get a diesel right since the 7.3, can't put enough threads in the 2V heads to hold a spark plug for the long haul, and their stupid ass plug design on the 3V heads.

I feel the exact same way. I'm a chevy truck guy with a couple Ford Mustangs....No Ford truck for me unless it's a 2003 or older F-250 or 350 with the slow 7.3 or unless its a 96 or older....

Why did you pressure wash it? That oil and gime was holding it together.....with the plugs so far down in a hole the water had to go somewhere.....now you are getting to feel why I don't like those motors....

Never use a dealer. Hence all the extra shit he is trying to sell you. He's a salesman....enough said.

oldskoolstang · 03-31-2013, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs

Auto lite plugs and nothing but motor craft coils

I agree 100%

usmcgunner · 03-31-2013, 01:22 PM

My baby mama has en expedition with that motor. I had to replace two coils on that. Both on the passenger side, and that was a pain. Other than that, it has almost 200k and hasn't given her a lick of trouble.

oldskoolstang · 03-31-2013, 01:35 PM

Not all of them are bad....but when things start to go wrong, get rid of it. It's not going to stop.

RoadconeTuning · 03-31-2013, 03:10 PM

hope to god that 4 of them dont break in half and get stuck in the head when you pull them out... those 5.4 3-valve motors are horrible about that.

DIGGLER · 03-31-2013, 03:38 PM

yea pressure washin' usually is a bad idea unless you really HAVE to do it. can do all kinds of bad stuff like mess up electronics or alternator bearings. i know some guys pressure wash their mower deck after they get done cutting grass.... and replace spindle bearings every year because of it.

jromeo · 03-31-2013, 05:08 PM

If you go to f150online.com and search , you will find that this is a big issue with these engines.Cleaning the fuel system is one of the ways to free up the plugs. It seems like everybody is breaking at least one off in the block.If you go with the champion one piece, you dont have to think about it. With the two piece plugs you need to break them loose every 20,000 miles. I have 86000 on my 06 F150 and last week ravenel ford wanted$475 too swap plugs and $30 for each plug that breaks in the block when they take the plugs out. The best way to go is to order that special tool that removes the broken plugs for $70 from napa. Buy the $100-115 plugs and do it yourself.

04ctd · 04-24-2013, 02:12 PM

called the dealer, they wanted $9xx.xx (i was so flabbergasted, i missed a few digits in the price, but it had plenty of digits in it..)
that was fuel injection cleaning (~$237?) and all 8 plugs.

thanks to jRomeo, found this link:

Sparkplug Change for 2004-2008 5.4 3V-Step by Step - F150online Forums

does anyone have a tool locally I can borrow, just in case?

found these on Zac's recommendation:

Ford 5.4 Triton Autolite HT15 High Thread Spark Plug SET(8 EIGHT

Set of 8 GENUINE Motorcraft DG-511 Ignition Coils 3L3Z-12029-BA

a Lot of guys are running these,

Ebay cheapo's Price: US $87.95
"ain't nobody go time for dat"

fix it once...fix it right, get on with your life

the plugs are steep at the local parts store...

Autolite Revolution High Thread Spark Plug $12.09

chrisheltra · 04-24-2013, 02:16 PM

Take the truck and a case of beer to Randy. lol

oldskoolstang · 04-24-2013, 11:05 PM

qwiksn95 can do them. He has more patience for them than I do. They also have the tool I believe. I can do them as well, but have no desire to.....

I'd give Redline or Randy a call and see what they can work out for you....

AverageJoe · 04-25-2013, 06:43 AM

I love my Silverado

03-30-2013, 11:40 PM	#1
04ctd Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ladson SC Posts: 4,388	discuss: Ferd 5.4 motah.... pressure washed the motor (was funk-tac-ular) got "water intrusion" in 2 coils..... they put in 2 coils & 2 plugs today (why would plugs go bad?) can i put LSx coils on it? service writer said: i needed to do a fuel system clean ($200), and I should put all 8 plugs in it; at 158k miles. BUT he also said i needed to do the fuel system clean, to clean the deposits off the bottom of the plugs, so they will come out safely & easily. if so...how did they get the two plugs out today? if I am going to do 8 plugs, should do i do better quality coils? if water gets in the OEM coils, are they ghetto? i got all the receipts on it, and it has been three other coils. (and he did NOT pressure wash it) service writer said if that is the case, they need to check the ECM for the pulse width of the coil signal (he used a technical term, but I took a nap since then) but basically, he said some of the ECM's are known to fry coils. __________________ 1 Timothy 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

03-30-2013, 11:41 PM	#2
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	what year is it? __________________ . What you wanna do?

03-31-2013, 12:01 AM	#3
04ctd Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ladson SC Posts: 4,388	2005. __________________ 1 Timothy 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

03-31-2013, 12:14 AM	#4
1998ta__1991rs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Ash Posts: 4,283	Auto lite plugs and nothing but motor craft coils __________________ Funny

03-31-2013, 07:57 AM	#6
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	I know champion are one piece, are autolites also? I second motor craft coils. __________________ . What you wanna do?

03-31-2013, 10:09 AM	#7
MonteC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Summerville Posts: 4,431	First mistake you took it to the dealer. __________________ Griffin Transmission -Home of the most badassest Monte Carlo- Cell: 843-276-0554 Shop: 843-793-4607 04 RSX 06 Ridgeline 86 Monte Carlo

03-31-2013, 10:10 AM	#8
MonteC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Summerville Posts: 4,431	Second mistake you pressure washed the motor. Are you going to a car show? __________________ Griffin Transmission -Home of the most badassest Monte Carlo- Cell: 843-276-0554 Shop: 843-793-4607 04 RSX 06 Ridgeline 86 Monte Carlo

03-31-2013, 11:18 AM	#9
gearmesh, inc. creepy azz cracka Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 1,587	I gave up on Ford since they can't get a diesel right since the 7.3, can't put enough threads in the 2V heads to hold a spark plug for the long haul, and their stupid ass plug design on the 3V heads. __________________ "I came into this world kicking, screaming,and covered in someone else's blood, I have no problem leaving the same way!" ÔÇ£If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. ThatÔÇÖs ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about?ÔÇØ -Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch.

03-31-2013, 01:22 PM	#12
usmcgunner Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Beaufort, SC Posts: 788	My baby mama has en expedition with that motor. I had to replace two coils on that. Both on the passenger side, and that was a pain. Other than that, it has almost 200k and hasn't given her a lick of trouble. __________________ 1988 Merkur XR4Ti. Don't judge me on what I drive, but how I drive it.

03-31-2013, 01:35 PM	#13
oldskoolstang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Guyton, GA Posts: 1,412	Not all of them are bad....but when things start to go wrong, get rid of it. It's not going to stop. __________________ Working on junk....

03-31-2013, 03:10 PM	#14
RoadconeTuning Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Upstate, SC Posts: 2,684	hope to god that 4 of them dont break in half and get stuck in the head when you pull them out... those 5.4 3-valve motors are horrible about that. __________________ FIRSBIRZ

03-31-2013, 03:38 PM	#15
DIGGLER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,458	yea pressure washin' usually is a bad idea unless you really HAVE to do it. can do all kinds of bad stuff like mess up electronics or alternator bearings. i know some guys pressure wash their mower deck after they get done cutting grass.... and replace spindle bearings every year because of it.

03-31-2013, 05:08 PM	#16
jromeo Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 34	If you go to f150online.com and search , you will find that this is a big issue with these engines.Cleaning the fuel system is one of the ways to free up the plugs. It seems like everybody is breaking at least one off in the block.If you go with the champion one piece, you dont have to think about it. With the two piece plugs you need to break them loose every 20,000 miles. I have 86000 on my 06 F150 and last week ravenel ford wanted$475 too swap plugs and $30 for each plug that breaks in the block when they take the plugs out. The best way to go is to order that special tool that removes the broken plugs for $70 from napa. Buy the $100-115 plugs and do it yourself.

04-24-2013, 02:12 PM	#17
04ctd Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ladson SC Posts: 4,388	called the dealer, they wanted $9xx.xx (i was so flabbergasted, i missed a few digits in the price, but it had plenty of digits in it..) that was fuel injection cleaning (~$237?) and all 8 plugs. thanks to jRomeo, found this link: Sparkplug Change for 2004-2008 5.4 3V-Step by Step - F150online Forums does anyone have a tool locally I can borrow, just in case? found these on Zac's recommendation: Ford 5.4 Triton Autolite HT15 High Thread Spark Plug SET(8 EIGHT Set of 8 GENUINE Motorcraft DG-511 Ignition Coils 3L3Z-12029-BA a Lot of guys are running these, Ebay cheapo's Price: US $87.95 "ain't nobody go time for dat" fix it once...fix it right, get on with your life the plugs are steep at the local parts store... Autolite Revolution High Thread Spark Plug $12.09 __________________ 1 Timothy 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. Last edited by 04ctd; 04-24-2013 at 03:01 PM.

04-24-2013, 02:16 PM	#18
chrisheltra Neo is Jesus Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,265	Take the truck and a case of beer to Randy. lol __________________ Gap A Hoe Racing

04-24-2013, 11:05 PM	#19
oldskoolstang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Guyton, GA Posts: 1,412	qwiksn95 can do them. He has more patience for them than I do. They also have the tool I believe. I can do them as well, but have no desire to..... I'd give Redline or Randy a call and see what they can work out for you.... __________________ Working on junk....