TX Cops

Matts94Z28 · 04-17-2013, 11:55 PM

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ree-cj-grisham

BIRDMAN · 04-18-2013, 12:13 AM

I didn't watch the whole thing...but enough to get pretty pissed.

white99ta · 04-18-2013, 12:17 AM

Seemed like way to much bullshit for a guy that wasn't breaking any laws. If it wasn't for the badge he would've been shot. If it was the other way around it would've been grounds for deadly force.

Mike · 04-18-2013, 12:35 AM

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/sta...d-analysis.htm

minytrker · 04-18-2013, 01:49 AM

I think both were wrong but with the video he will against the police. I get pulled over all the time and always have loaded firearms on me and in my vehicle. I have never had a cop even get nervous, they don't seem to even care I am armed legally. I'm sure my attitude compared to his helps my case with not having problems. I'm all for freedom of speech, second amendment, etc but sometimes you have to choose your battles IMO.

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http://www.michaelyon-online.com/sta...d-analysis.htm

Reading that whole article defiantly makes you say hmmm. I'm sure there is a lot more to it.

oldskoolstang · 04-18-2013, 01:20 AM

Wow. Holy shit that guy managed to keep his cool way better than I ever would have in that situation. I hope the first officer that tried to take his gun from him is fired. All of them need to be......the officers do not know the law, blatantly broke the law, and came up with a bullshit charge to arrest and honest military man on a hike with his son. Shame on that department. Such utter horseshit.

WWhittle · 04-18-2013, 07:39 AM

Probably all dumbasses, but the guy was a nutbag with a shitty attitude and got treated accordingly.
What laws do the police not know, and what laws did they break? I saw people on YB making that same comment, but nobody ever said what laws the cops broke?

oldskoolstang · 04-18-2013, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WWhittle

Probably all dumbasses, but the guy was a nutbag with a shitty attitude and got treated accordingly.

Really? How would you act if you were on a hike with your kid, doing nothing wrong, then having a cop grab you and try to snatch your gun from you then place you in handcuffs and arrest you.........all in front of your son. I give the man props for keeping his cool as well as he did.

FRDnemesis · 04-18-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by oldskoolstang

Really? How would you act if you were on a hike with your kid, doing nothing wrong, then having a cop grab you and try to snatch your gun from you then place you in handcuffs and arrest you.........all in front of your son. I give the man props for keeping his cool as well as he did.

^^^^ EXACTLY!!!

I don't know a single law biding citizen who knows the law who wouldn't be pissed off! I don't care what your profession is, nobody likes to be told by a commoner that they know more about the rules of your job than you do. I think that is what pissed the cops off in this instance.

From what I've read, apparently this is NOT the first time this department has done this and been in this position.

WWhittle · 04-18-2013, 12:10 PM

I said in my first post that they were all dumbasses, but just for fun I will reply again....

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Originally Posted by oldskoolstang

Police officers cannot disarm a law abiding citizen for no reason. Especially one with a permit and carrying a concealed weapon legally and his rifle legally since Texas is an open carry state.

It wasn't for "no reason". They were responding to a dispatched call and were there to investigate. It's not abnormal for a police officer to disarm someone while they investigate the call. If they are legally in possession of the firearm, they will get it back when they're done. Simple concept.

I feel sure that if the guy had a different attitude the situation would've most likely been handled differently. But he was obviously agitated, a little confrontational, was a smartass, and seemed to have a bone to pick. Because of all that, I don't think it was unreasonable for the officer to want to disarm him until he cleared the call.

It's no different here in South Carolina. If you are legally carrying a concealed weapon, and have dealings with a police officer, you should fully expect them to take your gun and secure it until they are done with you.

The Supreme Court has also given a police officer the right to Terry frisk you, with or without your consent, just to see if you have any weapons on you.

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Originally Posted by oldskoolstang

Really? How would you act if you were on a hike with your kid, doing nothing wrong, then having a cop grab you and try to snatch your gun from you then place you in handcuffs and arrest you.........all in front of your son. I give the man props for keeping his cool as well as he did.

When you summarize it, it sounds a lot worse than it really was. Not to mention, you don't know what happened before the camera came on. I can tell you this ÔÇô I would never act that way to any sort of authority in front of my child. That's the problem with half these thugs these days. They see their mama and daddy disrespecting anybody of authority and a grow up thinking it's okay. It's never going to end, but I'm not to contribute to it.

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Originally Posted by FRDnemesis

^^^^ EXACTLY!!!

I don't know a single law biding citizen who knows the law who wouldn't be pissed off! I don't care what your profession is, nobody likes to be told by a commoner that they know more about the rules of your job than you do. I think that is what pissed the cops off in this instance.

From what I've read, apparently this is NOT the first time this department has done this and been in this position.

Exactly what law is that again?

oldskoolstang · 04-18-2013, 10:29 AM

Police officers cannot disarm a law abiding citizen for no reason. Especially one with a permit and carrying a concealed weapon legally and his rifle legally since Texas is an open carry state.

minytrker · 04-18-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskoolstang

Police officers cannot disarm a law abiding citizen for no reason. Especially one with a permit and carrying a concealed weapon legally and his rifle legally since Texas is an open carry state.

They can legally disarm you for their safety. I don't remember the exact words of the law but remember when I went through the CHL class that they said you have to surrender your weapon if an officer asks for it.

WWhittle · 04-18-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by adamcs

Truth is most people don't know their rights or laws, that's why we have these things called lawyers, cops are allowed to do whatever they want to ensure their safety and the safety of people around them hell thy can put you in cuffs if they want to. Llewelyn my point is everybody always runs around saying I know my rights I know this and I know that but the truth is they don't know jack shit. If a cop is wrong them they are wrong but if you wanna go around saying you know everything you better damn well be right or you will just look like an idiot

Cop

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Originally Posted by LXtasy

As much as I hate to take sides. I will agree with the police. There was a situation reported. They responded. Guy seemed mouthy and hostile. Cops detained him. Now, if it is true that they still have his concealed carry permit and firearms he needs to get a lawyer and handle it that way. Cops of course got mouthy as well. But human nature to respond. If you get loud, I get louder type situation.

Cop

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Originally Posted by minytrker

They can legally disarm you for their safety. I don't remember the exact words of the law but remember when I went through the CHL class that they said you have to surrender your weapon if an officer asks for it.

Cop

oldskoolstang · 04-18-2013, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Lawyer ^^^^^^^^^

You been watching too much TV. Yes they can during and investigation as well as handcuff you during an investigative detention.

The manner in which they disarmed the man is the problem. Yes, they can disarm him if they feel threatened......but they can't just go around snatching someones gun from them, that's bullshit.

Did I ever say they couldn't put you in handcuffs? Hell, I've been in handcuffs because I was a witness to a crime and they got confused and thought I was the perpetrator, once they figured out what was going on and calmed the crowd down I was released......I know all about being in handcuffs...

oldskoolstang · 04-18-2013, 10:35 AM

Also, the 3 cops had to confer with each other to make up a charge against the man so they could arrest him. In the very first part of the video the officer is telling him that as soon as he confirms that he can legally possess the gun then he can go.........once the other cops show up, they make up a charge, then arrest him. I don't know what else went on or if anything had happened with this guy prior to this incident....but from what I've seen the cops are in the wrong.

bwelch · 04-18-2013, 12:16 PM

I bet he has tinted winders!

WWhittle · 04-18-2013, 12:22 PM

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I bet he has tinted winders!

That's about wore out!

Nice tag too!

bwelch · 04-18-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by WWhittle

That's about wore out!

Nice tag too!

Like a remount road hooker but they both make me lol!

not my tags

white99ta · 04-18-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bwelch

I bet he has tinted winders!

Its still funny.

WWhittle · 04-18-2013, 01:13 PM

With all that said, I can't figure out exactly what they charged him with, or why. It was hard to hear that part. I'm not too sure what they could have arrested him for unless there was something we could not see on camera.

This story reminds me of Chad Walton's story. At first, you think that the cops are 100% in the wrong. Then you learn a little more about the "victims" history and you realize that maybe they got exactly what they were looking for. Like Chad, this guy also has a history of embracing conflict.

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04-18-2013, 12:13 AM	#2
BIRDMAN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 2,943	I didn't watch the whole thing...but enough to get pretty pissed. __________________ *"I ran out of road, talent, and ideas all at the same time."*

04-18-2013, 01:20 AM	#6
oldskoolstang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Guyton, GA Posts: 1,412	Wow. Holy shit that guy managed to keep his cool way better than I ever would have in that situation. I hope the first officer that tried to take his gun from him is fired. All of them need to be......the officers do not know the law, blatantly broke the law, and came up with a bullshit charge to arrest and honest military man on a hike with his son. Shame on that department. Such utter horseshit. __________________ Working on junk....

04-18-2013, 10:29 AM	#11
oldskoolstang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Guyton, GA Posts: 1,412	Police officers cannot disarm a law abiding citizen for no reason. Especially one with a permit and carrying a concealed weapon legally and his rifle legally since Texas is an open carry state. __________________ Working on junk....

04-18-2013, 10:35 AM	#15
oldskoolstang Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Guyton, GA Posts: 1,412	Also, the 3 cops had to confer with each other to make up a charge against the man so they could arrest him. In the very first part of the video the officer is telling him that as soon as he confirms that he can legally possess the gun then he can go.........once the other cops show up, they make up a charge, then arrest him. I don't know what else went on or if anything had happened with this guy prior to this incident....but from what I've seen the cops are in the wrong. __________________ Working on junk....

04-18-2013, 12:17 AM	#3
white99ta Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Beaufort/ Goose Creek Posts: 325	Seemed like way to much bullshit for a guy that wasn't breaking any laws. If it wasn't for the badge he would've been shot. If it was the other way around it would've been grounds for deadly force.

04-18-2013, 12:35 AM	#4
Mike Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Goose Creek, SC Posts: 5,481	http://www.michaelyon-online.com/sta...d-analysis.htm

04-18-2013, 07:39 AM	#7
WWhittle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 3,899	Probably all dumbasses, but the guy was a nutbag with a shitty attitude and got treated accordingly. What laws do the police not know, and what laws did they break? I saw people on YB making that same comment, but nobody ever said what laws the cops broke?

04-18-2013, 12:16 PM	#16
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	I bet he has tinted winders! __________________

04-18-2013, 01:13 PM	#20
WWhittle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 3,899	With all that said, I can't figure out exactly what they charged him with, or why. It was hard to hear that part. I'm not too sure what they could have arrested him for unless there was something we could not see on camera. This story reminds me of Chad Walton's story. At first, you think that the cops are 100% in the wrong. Then you learn a little more about the "victims" history and you realize that maybe they got exactly what they were looking for. Like Chad, this guy also has a history of embracing conflict.