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wade w · 01-19-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

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Originally Posted by wade w

And 1 other thing. It says that it knows witch one is knocking by the last one that fired. knock happens before the plug
fires. Thats why they call it pre det. But I could see were that part would still work. Im not saying that your product would not help. But I am saying it will not prevent knock. Just because it has to knock some for it to work. Tell me Im wrong.

I don't think that's entirely true Wade.

Pre-Ignition and Detonation are 2 different occurrences.

Pre-ignition like you said is before the spark, and almost always destroys the motor.

Detonation happens after the spark, and most motors (<1.5hp per cui) can live with a little detonation.

O.K. Ican go along with what Johnny said.

I dont claim to know it all. I do not know the difference between pre-ing and detonation. I'm fairly sure what im thinking of is detonation. I know that the meaning of octain is the burn rate. and det happens because the gas ignites before the plug fires. Like a desiel ing.
witch is why the call it desieling. higher octain has a slower burn rate. witch keeps it from detonating. because it does not have time to. It is
also the reson why higher octain will slow a car down if it does not need
it. It will not burn all of the fuel because of the slower burn rate. Less
boom.

I havent looked around all whole lot at this but I havent seen a price.
how mutch is it. Thank you for your time. Wade

JohnnyP · 01-19-2008, 06:53 PM

The unit is $595. Optional bargraph gauge is $89.

Order before Feb. 1st and receive our new knock-finder display free. This $99 value shows which cylinders are knocking.

Eight LED's peep out from the front of the Vampire control panel. Each LED is mounted above its associated coil control wire, and turns on when Vampire retards that cylinder.

JohnnyP · 01-28-2008, 01:35 PM

They aren't sure it was detonation:

http://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...90#post3028290

JohnnyP · 01-29-2008, 03:25 PM

Chris:

Can you get hold of Tim Skelton for me? I see that he's in SoCal, maybe I could get a test ride with him.

chrisheltra · 01-29-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyP

Chris:

Can you get hold of Tim Skelton for me? I see that he's in SoCal, maybe I could get a test ride with him.

I will see if I can direct him this way.

chrisheltra · 01-29-2008, 03:34 PM

Message sent

JohnnyP · 01-29-2008, 05:18 PM

Thanks. I tried sending him an email and pm on f150, but it was disabled.

JohnnyP · 01-31-2008, 02:21 PM

Talked to Tim yesterday. Says his L is up on jack stands for another month or so, but would be willing to play when it's back on the road.

Said he might be able to hook me up with another guy before then.

He said he's running the stock tune, with a 4lb pulley and a CAI.

He's an attorney in the automotive field, and said he used a Ford engineer as an expert witness in a case. The engineer explained knock, and pointed out how close to it these engines are running.

Tim said there are two things that Ford should have included-traction control and knock sensing.

JohnnyP · 02-04-2008, 01:12 AM

More detonation: http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-li...n-how-bad.html

I didn't know CHUXSVT had lost two motors. I pm'd him several months ago, asking if he would let me go for a ride to check for "blower whine". His reply was "not to sound lika an azz. but , what do i get out of it. this will be on the dyno right?" I told him I would make the three hour drive to his place. I would need to install it, make a few 60 to 80 mph pulls on the freeway to check for "blower whine", etc. I offered him dealer price if he decided to buy within one year. No reply.

Looks like it just happened. I thought he blew both times before I pm'd him.

http://www.socalloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3310

I pm'd him originally after he posted this (see reply #8 by Rob54):
http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-li...rs-blower.html

JohnnyP · 02-06-2008, 06:55 AM

Lost another one to DiTech. Not a Lightning customer, but a guy called and ordered the Vampire, then emailed back a couple days later to cancel, saying his tuner had talked him out of it.

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My tuner did raise a good point though. As long as the tune is safe and I dont run too much boost, thats as safe as it can get with a stock motor. The thing that usually kills these motors is a lack of fuel in boosted situations, due to pump failure, or charging system malfunction, by the time the system would detect the detonation its pretty much too late for the stock pistons. So I'm probably just going to invest in a forged shortblock that can handle a bit of detonaiton without harm. But I do see alot of potential in your system and thank you for your insight.

Someone is going to make a lot more money selling this guy a built short block than they would selling him a knock controller.

Built motors still break. See above post.

JohnnyP · 02-12-2008, 08:04 PM

Do any Ford tuners listen to knock sensors when tuning? Import tuners have been using them for years.

I was reading one of the broken engine threads on f150, and the guy said it blew on the dyno, in cold weather.

I posted links to a few "knock amps", most costing more than my controller:

http://www.theknockbox.cc/component/...page/Itemid,1/
http://boostcontroller.com/index.php?item=745
http://www.machevo.com/turboxstuner1.html
http://www.wilcoxengines.demon.co.uk/knockkit.htm

JohnnyP · 02-16-2008, 04:18 PM

Another one on svt:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=460864

Blown engines seem to show up on svt more than anywhere else.

JohnnyP · 02-17-2008, 08:49 PM

oops, there's one on NLOC, but he's gonna build it bigger and stronger.

Who will bell the cat?

JohnnyP · 02-21-2008, 03:01 PM

Shipped one to our first tuner yesterday!

http://www.loweperformance.net/

John Lowe said it's going on a GT500, already making 900hp on stock lower end.

He said they are going to run it in something called the "Pump Gas Drags"

http://www.loweperformance.net/photo...T500/index.htm

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02-04-2008, 01:12 AM	#29
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	More detonation: http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-li...n-how-bad.html I didn't know CHUXSVT had lost two motors. I pm'd him several months ago, asking if he would let me go for a ride to check for "blower whine". His reply was "not to sound lika an azz. but , what do i get out of it. this will be on the dyno right?" I told him I would make the three hour drive to his place. I would need to install it, make a few 60 to 80 mph pulls on the freeway to check for "blower whine", etc. I offered him dealer price if he decided to buy within one year. No reply. Looks like it just happened. I thought he blew both times before I pm'd him. http://www.socalloc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3310 I pm'd him originally after he posted this (see reply #8 by Rob54): http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-li...rs-blower.html Last edited by JohnnyP; 02-04-2008 at 02:50 PM.

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01-19-2008, 06:53 PM	#22
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	The unit is $595. Optional bargraph gauge is $89. Order before Feb. 1st and receive our new knock-finder display free. This $99 value shows which cylinders are knocking. Eight LED's peep out from the front of the Vampire control panel. Each LED is mounted above its associated coil control wire, and turns on when Vampire retards that cylinder.

01-28-2008, 01:35 PM	#23
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	They aren't sure it was detonation: http://www.f150online.com/forums/sho...90#post3028290

01-29-2008, 03:25 PM	#24
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Chris: Can you get hold of Tim Skelton for me? I see that he's in SoCal, maybe I could get a test ride with him.

01-29-2008, 05:18 PM	#27
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Thanks. I tried sending him an email and pm on f150, but it was disabled.

01-31-2008, 02:21 PM	#28
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Talked to Tim yesterday. Says his L is up on jack stands for another month or so, but would be willing to play when it's back on the road. Said he might be able to hook me up with another guy before then. He said he's running the stock tune, with a 4lb pulley and a CAI. He's an attorney in the automotive field, and said he used a Ford engineer as an expert witness in a case. The engineer explained knock, and pointed out how close to it these engines are running. Tim said there are two things that Ford should have included-traction control and knock sensing.

02-12-2008, 08:04 PM	#31
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Do any Ford tuners listen to knock sensors when tuning? Import tuners have been using them for years. I was reading one of the broken engine threads on f150, and the guy said it blew on the dyno, in cold weather. I posted links to a few "knock amps", most costing more than my controller: http://www.theknockbox.cc/component/...page/Itemid,1/ http://boostcontroller.com/index.php?item=745 http://www.machevo.com/turboxstuner1.html http://www.wilcoxengines.demon.co.uk/knockkit.htm

02-16-2008, 04:18 PM	#32
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Another one on svt: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...d.php?t=460864 Blown engines seem to show up on svt more than anywhere else.

02-17-2008, 08:49 PM	#33
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	oops, there's one on NLOC, but he's gonna build it bigger and stronger. Who will bell the cat?

02-21-2008, 03:01 PM	#34
JohnnyP Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Shipped one to our first tuner yesterday! http://www.loweperformance.net/ John Lowe said it's going on a GT500, already making 900hp on stock lower end. He said they are going to run it in something called the "Pump Gas Drags" http://www.loweperformance.net/photo...T500/index.htm