My experience with Amazon Tuning Solutions

[SWThomas]

Before I get started I just want to say that this is not a bash. I'm simply describing my experience. This may have been an isolated incident, it may be common practice. I'm not posting this to decide that, but rather to inform others. ATS has been informed of all of these things so this should be no surprise.

A lot of you know about my situation. A while ago I had an engine problem and I enlisted the help of Amazon Tuning Solutions to fix it. I was impressed at first with how I was treated. Rick agreed to tow my vehicle the rest of the way to his shop in Anderson if I could get it up to Carolina Dragway. That saved me a lot of money which I was happy about. That's really where my happiness ended.

I was initially told it would take about a month to finish. So I was patient and waited about a month before I started nagging about it. I was given several different deadlines on when the truck would be finished. Out of probably 6 deadlines I was given, the only one that was kept was the last one when I picked the truck up. My truck was at ATS for a total of 4 months. I must add that I did contact the owner of SVTP and Derek@Amazon to see if they could talk to Rick and find out what the hold-up was. I did not do this to start any problems but rather enlist the help of people who are more friendly with Rick than I am. Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with the explanations I was receiving from Rick. Apparently this was the wrong thing to do and I was told that getting other people involved wouldn't get the job done any faster, that it would actually have the opposite affect.:no:

All ATS was tasked with was removing and re-installing the engine. Durham Machine provided the rebuild work on the block and cylinder heads. Based on conversations with Rick and Durham Machine, it only took about a week and a half for the engine work to be finished and the engine returned to ATS. So out of 4 months, the engine was only out of ATS's hands for a week and a half.

Once I received the word that my truck was finished, I drove up to pick it up the next day. Rick advised that I make a few stops on the way home and check for any leaks. I did and on the first stop I noticed that my Cool-Aid intake scoop tubing had been re-installed incorrectly and that my power steering hose was riding on my lower pulley. I'm glad I caught it on the first stop as the pulley had already worn a groove into the hose. That could have potentially been disasterous.:no:

Shortly after I received the truck back I ordered the 3.4L Whipple kit. Upon receiving the kit, I went to a friends house to install it. During the install we found several discrepancies with some of the parts that were re-installed on the engine by ATS. First, I found that all the supercharger bolts on the drivers side were so loose I removed them with my fingers.:no: This was allowing the blower to shift and the belt was coming off the pulley by one rib (which was initially pointed out to me by ATS when I picked up the truck)... Second, we changed the plugs while the blower was off and noticed that all the plugs were gapped to 0.023. I was told that the plugs that were in the engine when they received it still looked good so they re-used them. I know for a fact that all of those plugs were gapped at 0.034 so the only conclusion I can come to is that all of them were intentionally re-gapped. I asked Rick about this and his explanation was that they normally gapped the plugs that tight to prevent spark blow-out. Needless to say, my throttle response increased quite a bit with the properly gapped plugs installed.... Third, we noticed that the fuel rail bracket on the passenger side was bent causing the fuel injectors to leak. The brackets were definitely not bent before the truck went to ATS.:no:

Like I stated earlier, ATS has been informed of all of these discrepancies. This thread is not intended to be inflammatory but rather give a detailed description of my experience. I purchased the SCT Pro Racer Package from ATS which allowed me to have access to the tunes Rick created for me. But apparently I'm not suppose to seek advice from anyone else other than Rick about tuning. So I have been informed that I'm no longer an ATS customer and have been forced to take my business elsewhere.

[Whaler]

Sorry Spencer.
Several people here did mention that their experience with ATS was not a good one. We all learn as we go, and have all made mistakes. Hopefully you have figured everything out before it was catastophic.

[chrisheltra]

But apparently I'm not suppose to seek advice from anyone else other than Rick about tuning. So I have been informed that I'm no longer an ATS customer and have been forced to take my business elsewhere.

Wow, just wow.

[SWThomas]

Sorry Spencer.
Several people here did mention that their experience with ATS was not a good one. We all learn as we go, and have all made mistakes. Hopefully you have figured everything out before it was catastophic.

Yeah, I must apologize to you guys for not taking your advice. I've definitely learned my lesson.

[slow04]

A lot of people have learned their lesson dealing with Amazon..........I know I did. I see you didn't say anything about what they charged you,but my guess would be about three times what it should have been

[EZ03]

Yeah, I must apologize to you guys for not taking your advice. I've definitely learned my lesson.

Hope it only takes one time to learn and not two or three times!!:bigthumb:

[SWThomas]

A lot of people have learned their lesson dealing with Amazon..........I know I did. I see you didn't say anything about what they charged you,but my guess would be about three times what it should have been

Yeah, I left a few things out. I'll probably still get threatened with a lawsuit.:hysterical:

[SWThomas]

Hope it only takes one time to learn and not two or three times!!:bigthumb:

Nope, I'm done with them. I'm doing my own tuning now so I can get info from whoever will give it to me.

[chrisheltra]

I hope for your sake Spence that everything internally to the motor is up to par.

[SWThomas]

I hope for your sake Spence that everything internally to the motor is up to par.

I'm sure it is. ATS had nothing to do with the engine work. An actual machine shop did it.

[Whaler]

I see this same thread has already been removed from Lightningrodder.

[slow04]

I see this same thread has already been removed from Lightningrodder.
I see the post has been deleted. Spence did you get any reprimands from the other forums?

[chrisheltra]

Here was ricks response for those that dont visit the other sites.


I want to post our side of this and there will be no more response. You have moved on and so have we. If someone didn’t want to bash, discredit or try to harm someone’s business then why post at all. It may be a feeling of getting even or flexing their e-muscles in there mind. We figured as soon as this customer got what he wanted out of us that this would happen.

When we heard of the problem with his motor he asked us if we could help. We drove 6 hours round trip on 11/10/07 to pick up his truck and never asked for a penny for it. How many shops do that? At this event we told the customer in front of many people that we have about a 2 month backlog and there was no way we could do anything to his truck for at least 2 months. If this was not acceptable he should have taken the truck elsewhere and this would not be an issue. It was his choice. We had 4 other motor jobs ahead of his. We only have 2 lifts out of our 6 lifts that work with lightnings and other trucks where on them and they were ahead of his truck.

The customer called about every day for updates and I told him as soon as we started it I would tell him. He also contacted admins on sites and others to put pressure on me. He also bitched on others sites about us. I called the customer right away and talked to him about it and told him we were not rushing cars out so we could get to his truck but it didn’t stop. The bottom line is we pulled the motor just about 2 months after we picked it up like we said we would do. We stripped it down and took it to the machine shop in 2 days. Once we got the motor back in about 2 weeks we started to put it back together. There were several parts missing that had to be ordered including the flex plate. From start to finish it only took 6 weeks to finish the truck. For a motor job that is pretty fast. This was the customer’s only vehicle. I didn’t make one penny on the motor. Most shops make 10-15% or more on motors. I was trying to save the customer some money in doing this. The customer needed the truck buy 3/11/08 and it was finished on 3/10/08.

Since we got the truck running the day before we told the customer to make several stops to check the truck out because he had no time for use to break the motor in, heat cycle it and double check everything. We also told the customer that the blower pulley was to far forward. This is the way the truck came to us. We checked the pulley alignment with our laser to verify this. The supercharger is on dowels and there is no way it can shift forward to miss align the pulley that bad. All the blower bolts where torque to spec. If the blower bolts where that loose there would be such a bad vacuum leak the motors would not even idle. As far as the plugs goes, anybody that works on supercharged, turbo or nos knows you must gap the plugs down to prevent blowout. With 20lbs of boost and nos this had to be done. When we had the truck on the dyno it blew the spark out at .030. We had to gap them down to around .025. The customer re-routed his fuel lines as soon as he got back home. He posted this in a thread. When they did the blower swap they noticed the little bracket was bent on the rail and he said the injectors where leaking. The first thing we always check is power the pumps up and check for leaks. There is no way a vehicle would ever leave our shop with a leaking fuel system. The customer worked on the truck 3 times before these problems where noticed. If there were any problems with the truck that we did they could have been fixed for free. All he had to do was bring the truck back and it would have been taken care of. We could have done this on one of his several trips to Atlanta.

We did everything we could to help the customer with cost by towing the truck and giving him the motor at cost even though what happened to the motor had nothing to do with anything initially done at this shop. Again we informed the customer of our back log and gave him a choice. He made the choice. We do jobs in the order they come in and don’t give special treatment to people that feel they can get there way by applying pressure through the internet. This is what this customer did by posting and contacting others to pressure us. It is not my fault that this customer has a 700hp truck as a daily driver and it’s his only means of transportation.

I became aware the customer was working with another tuner. I informed the customer that this breaks our tuning policy. The customer broke the end user agree for receiving MTF files by sharing the files with others. Buy breaking the seal on the CD the customer agreed to the agreement. This is a separate agreement then the SCT one. This is posted on SVTP in our forum. Also in his sig he has that he tuned his truck and it ran 10.89. Well it was my tune in the truck when it ran 10.89.

Rick

[SWThomas]

Here's what I commented back with...

I want to post our side of this and there will be no more response. You have moved on and so have we. If someone didn’t want to bash, discredit or try to harm someone’s business then why post at all. It may be a feeling of getting even or flexing their e-muscles in there mind. We figured as soon as this customer got what he wanted out of us that this would happen.

No one is flexing e-muscle here. I'm just keeping my fellow enthusiast's informed about vendors in our community. And I wouldn't have had much of an issue with your shop if I hadn't found all the overlooked and neglected details when I inspected my engine.

When we heard of the problem with his motor he asked us if we could help. We drove 6 hours round trip on 11/10/07 to pick up his truck and never asked for a penny for it. How many shops do that? At this event we told the customer in front of many people that we have about a 2 month backlog and there was no way we could do anything to his truck for at least 2 months. If this was not expectable he should have taken the truck elsewhere and this would not be an issue. It was his choice. We had 4 other motor jobs ahead of his. We only have 2 lifts out of our 6 lifts that work with lightnings and other trucks where on them and they were ahead of his truck.

And I mentioned that in my OP. You were going to the track anyway, so it's not like you went out of your way to come get my truck. I already told you that I appreciated you towing my truck back to your shop. However, you did not tell me it was going to take 2 months to start on my truck. You told me that you had one Lightning ahead of mine and as soon as his engine was finished being installed, you were going to start on mine. Maybe you did accumulate another 3 engines after mine arrived at your shop, but mine should have been done before you devoted any attention to them. I mean seriously, I depend on my vehicle to get me to and from work. I told you that. Do you seriously think I would have willingly agreed to let you take my truck if I knew you weren't even going to start on it for two months?:nono:

The customer called about every day for updates and I told him as soon as we started it I would tell him. He also contacted admins on sites and others to put pressure on me. He also *****ed on others sites about us. I called the customer right away and talked to him about it and told him we were not rushing cars out so we could get to his truck but it didn’t stop. The bottom line is we pulled the motor just about 2 months after we picked it up like we said we would do. We stripped it down and took it to the machine shop in 2 days. Once we got the motor back in about 2 weeks we started to put it back together. There were several parts missing that had to be ordered including the flex plate. From start to finish it only took 6 weeks to finish the truck. For a motor job that is pretty fast. This was the customer’s only vehicle. I didn’t make one penny on the motor. Most shops make 10-15% or more on motors. I was trying to save the customer some money in doing this. The customer needed the truck buy 3/11/08 and it was finished on 3/10/08.

My first call about the engine was after it had been there for 3 weeks. I did not call you every day until the very end of this project because I was getting tired of the empty promises. The PM's I sent to Travis and Derek were sent a week before I picked up the truck. So I think I waited plenty long before getting anyone else involved. :oldtu: And if you're not rushing cars out of your shop, how do you explain loose blower bolts?:headscratch: That's nice to know my flexplate was lost... I didn't know that. How do you lose a flexplate? You may have not made any money on the motor, but you didn't do any of the work on the motor. You removed it and installed it. And you were paid generously for that. 3/11/08 was like the the 6th deadline date that I gave you. I had to change more than one obligated appointment because of your missed deadlines. I was suppose to go on leave and visit my family for a once a year event and had to cancel because my truck wasn't finshed when you said it was going to be.

Since we got the truck running the day before we told the customer to make several stops to check the truck out because he had no time for use to break the motor in, heat cycle it and double check everything. We also told the customer that the blower pulley was to far forward. This is the way the truck came to us. We checked the pulley alignment with our laser to verify this. The supercharger is on dowels and there is no way it car shift forward to miss align the pulley that bad. All the blower bolts where torque to spec. If the blower bolts where that loose there would be such a bad vacuum leak the motors would not even idle. As far as the plugs goes, anybody that works on supercharged, turbo or nos knows you must gap the plugs down to prevent blowout. With 20lbs of boost and nos this had to be done. When we had the truck on the dyno it blew the spark out at .030. We had to gap them down to around .025. The customer re-routed his fuel lines as soon as he got back home. He posted this in a thread. When they did the blower swap they noticed the little bracket was bent on the rail and he said the injectors where leaking. The first thing we always check is power the pumps up and check for leaks. There is no way a vehicle would ever leave our shop with a leaking fuel system. The customer worked on the truck 3 times before these problems where noticed. If there were any problems with the truck that we did they could have been fixed for free. All he had to do was bring the truck back and it would have been taken care of. We could have done this on one of his several trips to Atlanta.

Okay now I understand about the blower. You obviosuly lacked attention to detail when removing it. I never, I repeat, never had the belt come off the pulley until you got done with it. And, there was only one locating dowel in the passenger side rear of the blower. It was there when I brought it to you and it was there when I picked it up. So, loose blower bolts would indeed allow the blower to shift forward and left. Coincidentally, enough to cause the belt to come off the pulley.:no: I have never heard of anyone gapping their plugs that tight. And why wasn't I informed of this "spark blow-out" issue that was supposedly experienced on the dyno. This is the first I am hearing of it. You're correct about the re-routing of the fuel lines. I did do that..... about 2 weeks ago. I didn't touch the fuel rail hoses until we swapped blowers. That's when I initially noticed the leaks and bent brackets. Come on Rick, you're just making stuff up now....:nono:

We did everything we could to help the customer with cost by towing the truck and giving him the motor at cost even though what happened to the motor had nothing to do with anything initially done at this shop. Again we informed the customer of our back log and gave him a choice. He made the choice. We do jobs in the order they come in and don’t give special treatment to people that feel they can get there way by applying pressure through the internet. This is what this customer did by posting and contacting others to pressure us. It is not my fault that this customer has a 700hp truck as a daily driver and it’s his only means of transportation.

So taking on that Canadian customer while my truck just sat there after it had already been there for months wasn't special treatment? And flying to other states to tune while you had commitments to keep with current customers wasn't special treatment? I'm a little confused.....:headscratch:

I became aware the customer was working with another tuner. I informed the customer that this breaks our tuning policy. The customer broke the end user agree for receiving MTF files by sharing the files with others. Buy breaking the seal on the CD the customer agreed to the agreement. This is a separate agreement then the SCT one. This is posted on SVTP in our forum. Also in his sig he has that he tuned his truck and it ran 10.89. Well it was my tune in the truck when it ran 10.89.

Rick

As for the last part, please offer forward some proof that I shared any of my mtf files with anyone else. Just because I'm getting advice from other tuners doesn't mean that I shared any files with them. I was sitting in front of my computer with a phone to my ear asking questions. If I'm not satisfied with the support I'm getting from you and paying my money for, I'm going to look elsewhere. Yes, I did run that 10.89 on your tune.... that I had to lean out 6% jto get it out of the 9.X:1 A/F range and adjust shift points on. You know the most common thing I heard from people when I posted that time??? "Why is a truck that made 701RWHP on the dyno only running a 10.8?" Since receiving the mtf files you sent me I now have an answer to that question.

[///Mcompact]

I want to post our side of this and there will be no more response. If someone didnÔÇÖt want to bash, discredit or try to harm someoneÔÇÖs business then why post at all. It may be a feeling of getting even or flexing their e-muscles in there mind.


They sure don't like customer feedback...unless it is positive. That right there says enough. You should be able to stand by your work. This is what...customer number 4 or 5 in our little circle that has negative feedback? Thank god this isn't Ebay..

Uh-oh..am I gonna get sued, too?

[Whaler]

The boards won't let it go on for too long. You know the truth. I have 7 names (it's probably more) written down of people on this website alone that were customers, but won't ever be their customers again. There are more who have never and won't ever use them.

[///Mcompact]

We've had our share of tuners in the Evo world with the same results as the aforementioned. You know what happened to them? Out of business or have been relegated to just selling aftermarket parts/dyno'ing at best. A few of them moved on to other cars..but their reputation follows them eventually(certain BMW tuner).

That's the business world. You offer a crappy product/service....customers leave a lot of negative feedback (more than can be rebutted), and your will no longer have customers. It doesn't take but maybe 3 or 4 horror stories from one vendor on Evom to get their vendor privileges taken away- effectively removing them from that market. With 15 to 20 vendors already in place, there is no "specialty" that a certain shop provides that another vendor can't do. They won't be missed..

It's a shame that the Lightning owners don't stand-up & demand more democracy in their forums. Any customer..any, should have the right to offer uncensored feedback and let other's know about a shop's work...good or bad.

Looks like you guys have too much politics involved in the forums.

[slowgreen99]

Thats why I tune my own car! lmfao!

[Whaler]

I see the post has been deleted. Spence did you get any reprimands from the other forums?

+1??
I know it's getting heated.

[SWThomas]

I see the post has been deleted. Spence did you get any reprimands from the other forums?

It hasn't been deleted yet. They moved it into a "Supporting Vendor Arbitration Forum". Apparently, this is where the vendor and customer can work things out. The Admin PMed me and said that once everything has been solved they would move the thread back to GP and lock it. They are more diligent than most on keeping the leg-humpers out.

[SWThomas]

I see the post has been deleted. Spence did you get any reprimands from the other forums?

+1??
I know it's getting heated.

Not really getting heated. Rick is just not telling the whole truck on a lot of things. But I didn't really expect him to.

[chrisheltra]

Hasnt he already been through a similar incident when he was in MD?

What were the circumstances behind that one?

[SWThomas]

Hasnt he already been through a similar incident when he was in MD?

What were the circumstances behind that one?

Yeah, I heard stories but it's all hear-say unless you were actually there. I bet Derek@Amazon know a lot about it....

[SWThomas]

I've just been banned from LightningRodder for 1 day. Apparently, when they moved my thread to the Arbitration forum, they gave me privelages to access their "Behind the Scenes" section that only Mods and Admins can see. I went into a couple of those threads and shook my ass a little just to show them I had access to their info. I bet they banned me so they could figure out how to fix it to where I can only see the Arbitration forum and nothing else. OOOOPS!

[chrisheltra]

I've just been banned from LightningRodder for 1 day. Apparently, when they moved my thread to the Arbitration forum, they gave me privelages to access their "Behind the Scenes" section that only Mods and Admins can see. I went into a couple of those threads and shook my ass a little just to show them I had access to their info. I bet they banned me so they could figure out how to fix it to where I can only see the Arbitration forum and nothing else. OOOOPS!

lol... So... what did you see?

[DolSVT00]

Apparently, the mods on NLOC have either not seen the thread or obviously donÔÇÖt care about you posting about Amazon. Big D pulled out the ban stick and threatened me with it when I made my post about Amazon on NLOC and my post was way less revealing than yours and at one point I didnÔÇÖt even mention it was Amazon, Lynn did when she replied to my thread.

[Whaler]

lol... So... what did you see?

It might be Naked pictures. :hysterical:

[SWThomas]

lol... So... what did you see?

Not much. I saw something about Josh from the National Horsepower forum, but other than that, just Staff bantor.

[SWThomas]

Apparently, the mods on NLOC have either not seen the thread or obviously donÔÇÖt care about you posting about Amazon. Big D pulled out the ban stick and threatened me with it when I made my post about Amazon on NLOC and my post was way less revealing than yours and at one point I didnÔÇÖt even mention it was Amazon, Lynn did when she replied to my thread.

I bet none of their staff have seen it yet. They don't really frequent the site that much from what I've seen.

Well now, I take that back. I'm sure some of the NLOC nutt-swingers have Dwight and his staff on speed-dial and have already called and informed them.

Or.... Maybe they're sick of deleting threads about ATS and they're about to put on the size 12's.....:mrgreen:

[chrisheltra]

I bet none of their staff have seen it yet. They don't really frequent the site that much from what I've seen.

Well now, I take that back. I'm sure some of the NLOC nutt-swingers have Dwight and his staff on speed-dial and have already called and informed them.

Or.... Maybe they're sick of deleting threads about ATS and they're about to put on the size 12's.....:mrgreen:

They must have read it b/c there was a guy with the username chris01 or chris10 (cant remember exactly) that told you to call him at his number and his post got deleted.

[Whaler]

Spence,
The :nutswinger: 's are out and your battle is with a supporting vendor on those sites. You're going to end up banned on those sites if it goes on. Everyone on this site knows how they are. Money talks and they paid their way in with vendor fees.

[chrisheltra]

Larry thats what everybody thought about MSX aswell though.

[DolSVT00]

Looky Spence I got some answers from Rick's NLOC post

1. When you contacted us about the issues I asked you if you thought I should fire our install tech. You said No, it was not a big deal I wouldn't have fired him anyway I would have just lied to you and said I did.

2. We would have fixed everything including anything we didn’t do at no charge but you didn’t give us that chance. But O wise and smart Dolsvt00 said once "Why would I drive 4 hours to go slower"

3. I don’t do the installs so my being out of the shop to tune my email customers has no bearing on this what so ever Correction: I don’t do the installs so my being out of the shop to send crappy tunes to my email customers has no bearing on this what so ever

4. Our engine builder lost the flex plate and other parts. They were not returned with the motor so he had to replace them and it took several days to do so. Actually he probably stole them and replaced it with a crappy one he had layin around the shop.

5. Yes, we were going to be at the track that day but we still could have charged you for towing. Most shops would have. We had no obligation to you for the condition of your motor as it was caused by whoever built the motor the first time. We did this for you because you were a good customer. Actually so many people have complained its hard to find new customers so we troll boards and events so we can get recognized versus actually doing good work and gaining reputation from it like JDM,JLP,AVT,PSP and PSI

6. You stated that you sent the MTF files to SCT in our forum on SVTP. As stated in the end user agreement you agreed to with Amazon Tuning Solutions. Those files belong to me not SCT Actually they really belong to SCT I just baught a license to sell crappy tunes.

7. The Canadian car came here as a tuning appointment that turned into more because of work done at a shop up there. I do the tuning here. My schedule is different than the install schedule. He paid me extra.

8. Just because a vehicle is not here doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have an appointment. The other motor jobs had not arrived yet. Again he paid more

9. You are right. A 700 hp vehicle should run better at the track. Unfortunately I still cannot tune for the driver mod, track and weather conditions. Your a shitty driver Spence, you should put my big no tuning ass in there

10. Being in the military didn't stop you from making alot longer trips several times to Atlanta area. I stalk you so I know what your doing.

11. If we did such bad work why did you keep calling for advice? Ok i will ask this question WTF?????

I'm done with this and will not respond any more. You are making this into something more then what it is. My panties are in a WAD I need to dig them out.

[slow04]

"He said,I heard" hahaha.........thats hilarious.Randy I was wondering how long it was going to take to respond

[chrisheltra]

:hysterical:

Too funny Randy

[DolSVT00]

I've just about read enough........ I am about to post the Fuck Amazon Video on both forum's See here (http://home.comcast.net/~rsmith1/Fuk%20Amazon.wmv)for details

[slow04]

Hey maybe we can get Mike to have Amazon as a vendor?...............nah most of the moderators here don't like them,so they'ed get screwed with alot...........its funny, they can actually tune a mustang pretty good from what I gather, they just don't have a clue when it comes to a 5.4 2 valve mod motor........or a gen 1 speed density......or......

[slow04]

I've just about read enough........ I am about to post the Fuck Amazon Video on both forum's See here (http://home.comcast.net/~rsmith1/Fuk%20Amazon.wmv)for details
:hysterical: Uhh ohh, into the video archives......Spencer, see what you started?:hysterical::hysterical:

[chrisheltra]

I've just about read enough........ I am about to post the Fuck Amazon Video on both forum's See here (http://home.comcast.net/~rsmith1/Fuk%20Amazon.wmv)for details

You dont have a hair on your ass.

Hell you might aswell let Spence post it hes probably about to get banned soon anyways. No need for you to just yet. lol

[DolSVT00]

You dont have a hair on your ass.

Hell you might aswell let Spence post it hes probably about to get banned soon anyways. No need for you to just yet. lol

Would that be a dare? Hell I would just proxy my IP and come back as username Nozamakcuf ................ (Read it backwards)

[chrisheltra]

Would that be a dare? Hell I would just proxy my IP and come back as username Nozamakcuf ................ (Read it backwards)

I triple dog dare you! OoO

[DolSVT00]

Ok bitch, im about to be on it like a spider monkey.... Pedro bindeho just put me ova the limit with his :nutswinger:

[perm102]

So 6 weeks for a motor swap is fast? :hysterical: It was only a max of 2 weeks at the machine shop, that is 4 weeks to install and test? Was this the first lightning motor in the first lightning?:roll:

[chrisheltra]

Ok bitch, im about to be on it like a spider monkey.... Pedro bindeho just put me ova the limit with his :nutswinger:

Jeez I didnt think you would do it and under your username.

Yur banned

[DolSVT00]

I aint no puss, I hardly post there anyway. Also I used a proxy IP from Brazil all they can do is ban the username......

Besides, there's a bright side to DolSVT00 bieng banned......... I can now use my 10,000 proxy ip addresses to register 10,000 usernames and post each of my 200 timeslips and move you to like number 300 on the 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile times list :bigthumb:

[Richard Head]

I aint no puss, I hardly post there anyway. Also I used a proxy IP from Brazil all they can do is ban the username......

Besides, there's a bright side to DolSVT00 bieng banned......... I can now use my 10,000 proxy ip addresses to register 10,000 usernames and post each of my 200 timeslips and move you to like number 300 on the 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile times list :bigthumb:

Now thats funny.

[DolSVT00]

Who's yer Daddy now...............

[SWThomas]

They must have read it b/c there was a guy with the username chris01 or chris10 (cant remember exactly) that told you to call him at his number and his post got deleted.

That was probably Ricks mechanic. I think his name is Chris.

BTW, we're still on for tomorrow. I can't figure this goddam thing out.:?

[wade w]

Hey Spence. I answered your post about the exhaust leak on svtp. And you never answered back. What the h&!!:poke:

[chrisheltra]

That was probably Ricks mechanic. I think his name is Chris.

I thought his name was Matt? Also the # the dude gave didnt have a SC area code.

BTW, we're still on for tomorrow. I can't figure this goddam thing out.:?

Yup send me the address:bigthumb:

[chrisheltra]

Rick must have a hard time dragging you around.:D

I almost dropped a lung after reading this

[SWThomas]

I thought his name was Matt? Also the # the dude gave didnt have a SC area code.



Yup send me the address:bigthumb:

That's right, Matt was his name. I thought about Chris because Matt knows my old tuner in VA Chris McDuff.

[SWThomas]

I almost dropped a lung after reading this

I was going to add "by his scrotum" at the end, but I didn't think that would go over too well.

[chrisheltra]

Randy i see SLVRLTNG on NLOC deleted your link to your vid.

[SWThomas]

Randy i see SLVRLTNG on NLOC deleted your link to your vid.

So he wasn't banned? I'm glad to see that Tim Skelton started another thread. Maybe some good will come of it also.

[DolSVT00]

Damn, I was all worked up to get banned….. and more worked up to create my new username and post my timeslips :(

[chrisheltra]

Damn, I was all worked up to get banned.. and more worked up to create my new username and post my timeslips :(

Did you ever get a dirty PM? I know as of last night you didnt know.

[SWThomas]

Apparently bashing ATS isn't that serious of an offense. Now if you had done that to JLP, a hit-man would've shown up at your door and shot you in the face.

[DolSVT00]

Did you ever get a dirty PM? I know as of last night you didnt know.

Pedro mama bicho (spanish for weenie smoocher) sent me a PM nut huggin Amazon, and GK Crewchief sent me another askin for a video but other than that nope no threats.

[chrisheltra]

Pedro mama bicho (spanish for weenie smoocher) sent me a PM nut huggin Amazon,

That doesnt suprise me at all. As a reformed ATS nuthugger myself I can attest that Pedro has the tightest grip on Ricks nuts of them all.:bigthumb:

[SWThomas]

That doesnt suprise me at all. As a reformed ATS nuthugger myself I can attest that Pedro has the tightest grip on Ricks nuts of them all.:bigthumb:

Rick and pedro after a basketball game...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/284787069_5e2f1eb3f9.jpg?v=0

[WWhittle]

Where does Amazon get most of their business? The internet. How do you keep a good name on the internet? Sponsor every freaking site available. It is nearly impossible to post anything negative about Amazon, on any forum, because chances are they are a sponsor. Although bullshit for the customers and potential customers- pretty smart business.

And how about this threatening to sue crap? I have heard this many times about Amazon. What kind of crap is that? How about freedom of speech? And do they have any clue how difficult a slander case would be to win against someone? give me a break. That is a childish desperation move.

Needless to say, I have had a bad experience with them too when i had my 04 cobra. They fucked me with some halfass work, and tune. I spent several (SEVERAL) thousand dollars on my car with Amazon after getting it back I LITERALLY drove straight to Modular Powerhouse in Atlanta (best there is in my opinion) and dropped my car off to have everything either redone or checked and had to pay for it all over again. They gave me the same bullshit lines that they gave you when i tried to talk to them about it.

Reason for my post-

I was screwed- many others have been screwed (half ass work and tunes)- and i would love to see it come to an end. Like i said, it's difficult to get the word out because they sponsor every forum. I don't go out of my way to bash Amazon, but if someone ask- i tell them what i think.

I could go on and on- between the disaster with my car and the disaster with Donny's car, i can tell it all.

[SWThomas]

I posted this on NLOC and SVTP in response to Ricks claim that he owns my tunes...

Just wanted to point out that SCT gives their dealers, who have signed end user liscenses just like mine, a security dongle just like mine that allows them access to the SCT Software. If SCT wanted to, they could remove that dealers ability to access their software and without SCT's software the dealer would be unable to open his tunes and without the templates from SCT the dealer would be unable to do any tuning at all. So who actually owns the tunes? In my opinion, SCT owns the software and the dealer is allowed access to it. So SCT owns the templates and the tunes. I own my mtf's but at the discretion of SCT allowing me access to them. Not ATS. ATS could go out of business tomorrow and I would still have SCT's support.

SCT is in charge of PRP's. Not ATS or any other dealer. They have me on file as a PRP customer, not an ATS PRP customer. The dealer only sells and distributes the PRP's for SCT. Therefore, I can show my MTF files to whoever I want.

[slow04]

That doesnt suprise me at all. As a reformed ATS nuthugger myself I can attest that Pedro has the tightest grip on Ricks nuts of them all.:bigthumb:Most all of Rick's groupies are people who don't care about goiung fast antway................

[chrisheltra]

One thing I can say about Ricks tunes was that I would NEVER blow a motor, but I might foul all my plugs.

[dkbmxer002]

Where does Amazon get most of their business? The internet. How do you keep a good name on the internet? Sponsor every freaking site available. It is nearly impossible to post anything negative about Amazon, on any forum, because chances are they are a sponsor. Although bullshit for the customers and potential customers- pretty smart business.


unfortunately i have seen this shit happen with alot of shops too....

[SWThomas]

One thing I can say about Ricks tunes was that I would NEVER blow a motor, but I might foul all my plugs.

Yeah, no shit. Can you say 9.X:1 A/F ratio......:shock:

[Richard Head]

Well it loks like your posts have been removed or closed on the sites I go to.

[chrisheltra]

And it looks like hes been put on MU on NLOC

[SWThomas]

Oh well. I'm sure it'll only last a week.

Thanks a lot for helping me out yesterday Chris. You are the man!!! Now I just need to call SCT and see what I can do to get this fixed.

[chrisheltra]

Oh well. I'm sure it'll only last a week.

Thanks a lot for helping me out yesterday Chris. You are the man!!! Now I just need to call SCT and see what I can do to get this fixed.

Your welcome. Give me a call today when you have a chance I have an idea.

[SWThomas]

Your welcome. Give me a call today when you have a chance I have an idea.

:bigthumb:

[Magoo]

Spencer sorry to hear about your misfortune man!! I wish things would have worked out for you, best of luck getting it to where you're happy with it!


Most all of Rick's groupies are people who don't care about goiung fast antway................


I take offense to that!! :D I know you never see me at the track, but trust me I'd LOVE to be there more often! :cry:

[Whaler]

Magoo, you are the only person that I know that has not had bad luck there. I know of 10 names in the Charleston area alone who were customers, but will never go back. I know your car is strong, but is the onlt example I know of.

[chrisheltra]

Magoo, you are the only person that I know that has not had bad luck there. I know of 10 names in the Charleston area alone who were customers, but will never go back. I know your car is strong, but is the onlt example I know of.

Who else is on the list? You have counted a few more than I have.:cheers

[Magoo]

Magoo, you are the only person that I know that has not had bad luck there. I know of 10 names in the Charleston area alone who were customers, but will never go back. I know your car is strong, but is the onlt example I know of.



I know Larry, that's why I haven't said anything. I like Rick and he's always done good by me, but I know I'm by far the minority around here locally. Regardless of whether I like Rick or not I do feel bad about the circumstances of some of the locals, as I consider most of you guys friends also.

[Mike]

derick, donnie, wes, jeff, daryl, darryl, chris, spencer, mike (from dorchester), cranston (from dorchester).


oh yea and Randy

[chrisheltra]

Thats quite a list didnt realize it was that big.

[Dave]

guess they aren't ever going to see my truck!!!

[chrisheltra]

guess they aren't ever going to see my truck!!!

Id figure youd have access to the direct line to JDM that Lurch has.