Top Dog start in March

[Pesce Nero]

hopefully the nasty weather is behind us and we will try to kick off the TD races in March.

on March first, i will start a post " top dog callouts" everone just post your callout in the same thread. you will only be calling out a spot. if your in the top 10 you can only call out 3 spots ahead. past that 8 spots. the callout list thread will last for 7 days. then a schedule of races will be posted.

I would also like to try something, If a car drives to the track, he can make another callout after the races finish whether he won or lost his callout race. this will give guys a chance to leapfrog a good amount. you will need to prove you drove the car buy taking pictures along the way with landmarks in the pic(such as weigh station on 26) also in the pic, obviously your dash and that days newspaper.

BIG HEMI will be in charge of the rules and he may make a post about the rules. He doesnt know really anyone here so he can be fair to everyone.

Whaler, hopefully will run the show at the track

Hopefully this works out pretty good and we can have a good time. i dont think the races will take long so if we get there early, we can run a good amount of times before we even start the TD races

[BigHemi]

Top Dog Rules for 2010

1) Car must be tagged and insured by you.
2) Car must be driven by you or an immediate family member only.
3) No lexan windows. The only exception is a truck, then the rear window can be lexan for rear cage bars to pass through.
4) No delay boxes.
5) Must have mufflers, unless there is a turbo.
6) Must have interior consisting of driver and passenger seat, back seat is optional, carpeted floor, door panels.
7) Car can be trailered to the track.
8) Must have operational street equipment, including headlights, taillights, brake lights, turn signals, and horn.

[red99pony]

ray take me off the top dog list please. i will be working 7 days a week until the end of march. then i have to take it to columbia to be tuned and painted after that, so i won't be able to take part right away. i would like to later one but i can't right now. thanks

[KRYPTONITE]

Take me off the list, thanks


Also I'm not going to run in the TDL, but I don't understand rule #5 what's wrong with a delay box/ but a trans brake is ok???

[slowgreen99]

One question on the mufflers....does this include a turbo car??

[98Camarod]

One question on the mufflers....does this include a turbo car??

If it does then I'm out. I don't have drag radials either, I only have slicks. So I guess either way I'm out

[chrisheltra]

Im out too due to the tire rule.

[bwelch]

The pic of the dash and the newspaper sounds like a pain in the ass. You would think that we would notice if our challenger drove in the gate or on a trailer.

[BigHemi]

Alright fellas...I updated the rules. I was unaware of just how many of you are running slicks when you're at the track, so no more tire rule.

Changed the muffler rule for the turbo guys.

[Pesce Nero]

The pic of the dash and the newspaper sounds like a pain in the ass. You would think that we would notice if our challenger drove in the gate or on a trailer.

well my car is alot more docile then yours, i would have no problem doing it or having a co pilot do it but with a radical car like yours, i understand your situation

[Chillerman]

Rule 6 for me (passenger seat is gone in my car with no plans on putting it back in), if that can be overlooked, I'm still in, if not, you will need to remove me as well.

[Pesce Nero]

Rule 6 for me (passenger seat is gone in my car with no plans on putting it back in), if that can be overlooked, I'm still in, if not, you will need to remove me as well.

come on chillerman, you cant put a seat in your car? i can understand tires because they cost $400 but a seat? its supposed to be a street car thing because everyone was complaining about race cars now everyone has a race car. i would like to see you on the list

look, my car has exhaust that goes all the way out the back bumper, i have cutouts on my car and it is faster when i open the cutouts but i'm not allowed according to the rules but you dont hear me whining about it guys. lets just meet the rules that have already been changed twice and go have some fun

[Chillerman]

I took the seat out for weight reduction. Car still has tags & insurance. It's a trailer queen with slicks on it. I still have a stock 302 that only makes decent power on the spray. We have been trying to get it to run in the 6's before the 408 goes in. This will most likely be the last year I keep tags on it since it is evolving into a race car. I'm not whining about the rules, just a pain in the ass to get the seat out of the attic and put it in the car. If that's how it has to be, we can comply, as we do want to compete, just don't want to slow the car down.

[Illusions]

my daily will be the blazer when its fixed and i only had one seat in it and drove it 30 miles one way each day to work. I think the whole thing is getting complicated and in the end the RACE CARS will be on the top anyway. It's all for fun and people are getting their panties in a wad over trivial BS. Next you'll hear people bitching because they need stips.

I also think the deal with trailer vs no trailer is BS. I trailer in case I break. my truck has broken every trip to the track. who's paying the towing? Who's putting my truck on their trailer so I can get home? See no one but me. So I plan to trailer to save a towing bill. It's for economical reasons because my truck definitely isn't fast enough to warrant it.

If someone doesn't have a trailer to use its not my fault.

[BigdaddyDupree]

he isnt saying you have to drive it. but if ya do he wants proof that you did the whole way and not unload it right before the race. and you get extra points for it. ill trailer mine also if i plan to shoot it. ya never know what might happen

[Illusions]

I just disagree with the extra points for driving to the track. But I'm not losing sleep over it. I already know I'm definitely not the fastest or even in the top half. So its all for fun and a few days at the track.

[Pesce Nero]

I took the seat out for weight reduction. Car still has tags & insurance. It's a trailer queen with slicks on it. I still have a stock 302 that only makes decent power on the spray. We have been trying to get it to run in the 6's before the 408 goes in. This will most likely be the last year I keep tags on it since it is evolving into a race car. I'm not whining about the rules, just a pain in the ass to get the seat out of the attic and put it in the car. If that's how it has to be, we can comply, as we do want to compete, just don't want to slow the car down.

i understand, but streetcars are a comprimise<sp? i dont think the rules are that out of line for a supposed "street car race" that is just for fun anyway.

[Pesce Nero]

my daily will be the blazer when its fixed and i only had one seat in it and drove it 30 miles one way each day to work. I think the whole thing is getting complicated and in the end the RACE CARS will be on the top anyway. It's all for fun and people are getting their panties in a wad over trivial BS. Next you'll hear people bitching because they need stips.

I also think the deal with trailer vs no trailer is BS. I trailer in case I break. my truck has broken every trip to the track. who's paying the towing? Who's putting my truck on their trailer so I can get home? See no one but me. So I plan to trailer to save a towing bill. It's for economical reasons because my truck definitely isn't fast enough to warrant it.

If someone doesn't have a trailer to use its not my fault.

the reasons for the extra callout is for guys like you guys that probably wont get the Top Dog spot but can add more wins by driving to the track.

lets say, one of the faster cars cant make it one month and drops far down the list, he can drive his junk to the track and pick up 16 spots in one month if he wins both races.

IF anyone that lives real far, lets say 1iron wants to drive to the track, he is more than welcome to unload his car at my house and i would love to cruise right along next to him to bowman.

[91notch]

You can make all the rules in the world but someone is still going to gripe and complain about something. Since this is intended to be a "street car" orientated event, here are my suggestion to help solve some of the BS before it starts.

Simply run it like nmra/nmca or similar street car shootout series. In place of the 30 mile cruise have everyone meet up at the college park rest area unload and drive to dorchester (only 20 miles) And i edited the tire rule to allow slicks at the track.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Dorchester&1s=SC&1a=2244+Highway+78&1z=29437-3905&1y=US&1l=33.137254&1g=-80.375085&1v=ADDRESS&2c=Summerville&2s=SC&2y=US&2l=33.018299&2g=-80.175797&2v=CITY#b/maps/m:map:10:33.009974:-80.108881::::::1:1:::::::::/l::2244+Highway+78:Dorchester:SC:29437-3905:US:33.137254:-80.375085:address::1:::/l::Interstate+26+E:Ladson:SC:29456:US:33.009952:-80.110388:address:Berkeley:1:::/io:1:::::f:en_US:M::/bl:/e


POWER ADDERS & POWERTRAIN
Any engine, and any number and/or type of power adders are permitted. Any manual or automatic transmission is permitted. Any rear end is permitted. Exhaust system with mufflers is required (turbo cars exempt).

CHASSIS & SUSPENSION
Stock type chassis and stock type suspension is required. Coil-over shocks and springs permitted for both front and rear suspension. Shocks and spring may be re-located. Standard bolt-on replacement suspension and chassis components are permitted. Tubular bolt-in front K-members and A-arm kits are permitted. Back-half vehicles are prohibited. Ladder bars and/or aftermarket 4-links are prohibited. Wheelie bars are prohibited.

STREET EQUIPMENT
In order to compete, all vehicles and/or drivers are required the following:
1.Valid driver’s license
2.Valid vehicle registration
3.Valid license plate(s). Dealer plates prohibited.
4.Valid insurance “ID” card. Faxes and/or letters from insurance companies and/or brokers not acceptable.
5.D.O.T. Radials or D.O.T. Slicks on front and rear of vehicle.
6.Hood is required, may be made of lightweight material. Hood scoops permitted. Hood/scoop may be liftoff.
7.Any type of passenger windows permitted, but must be functional – up/down and in working condition.

During the tech-in process, vehicle must have operational street equipment, including headlights, taillights, brake lights, turn signals, and horn.

TIRES: FRONT & REAR
DOT slick tires or DOT legal radials tires required for drive tires during the road tour. Maximum actual measured tire size is as follows: Actual measured tread of all racing slick-type tire is limited to 10.75-inches. For D.O.T. radial tires, maximum sidewall designation permitted is 325mm. Tire height is unrestricted. A “go/no-go” gauge will be used to measured tire width. Tire shaving is prohibited. Tire changing is Allowed after the road tour.

WHEELS
WHEELS: Spindle-mount front wheels prohibited.

30-MILE CRUISE
There will be a 30 mile supervised cruise on highway and city streets prior to competition, limited to those vehicles that have passed tech inspection. An escort will supervise the cruise in accordance with local laws and ordinances. Each competitor and crew will be on their own recognizance during the escort and cruise and bear the full responsibility of their actions as they would on city streets. Please be safe and follow all traffic laws during the cruise.

SUPPORT VEHICLES
Support vehicles (i.e., tow vehicles, crew, etc.) are permitted optionally on the road tour, but must trail behind the True Street participants, and the escort, at all times. All support vehicles are on their own reconnaissance and must obey all applicable local safety and traffic laws.

[Pesce Nero]

Mikey wait till Kenny reads that. your in deep shit now:hysterical:

[91notch]

Mikey wait till Kenny reads that. your in deep shit now:hysterical:

lol I just copied/pasted the rules. I guess "W's" Don't count in a "street-car race". :hide:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg185/eazyc35616/wsdontcount.jpg

[Matts94Z28]

Lmao!

[Whaler]

Guys, please don't try to find a reason "not to race". This is a very reasonable, relaxed set of rules, designed to let most of the cars on the site race together. If you have fun, does it really matter if you don't win the points? It's not like you're paying an entry fee. If you were, then I can understand. If I had a car, I'd be in it even if I had to race against the slowest of cars on the list. At least I'd be racing one weekend a month.

[BigHemi]

The main objectives are to keep this deal simple and most of all have the participants be in REAL street cars.
No need to make it any more complicated.

And for the guys complaining about seats...if you have no plans to put the passenger's seat back in your ride, then don't make plans to run the Top Dog races.

[toslow]

Damn there is always gonna be complaints. Liscense tags, dot's, and pump gas, with 2 seats, thats whats up.

Im gonna be full weight, full street trim, a/c and hell maybe even the baby seat. Lets get down.

[Illusions]

I'll just buy a cheap race seat. :D

[BigHemi]

I'll just buy a cheap race seat. :D

There ya go! Or just grab one from the junkyard, clean it up, and bolt it in.



toslow...It doesn't matter what size or type of tire you run and it doesn't matter what fuel you're running.

[BigdaddyDupree]

i wouldnt personally drive a car with one seat. seems weird. just me, not a street car anyway

[Dave]

There ya go! Or just grab one from the junkyard, clean it up, and bolt it in.

Will a baby seat bolted in count?:hysterical:

[chrisheltra]

Will a baby seat bolted in count?:hysterical:

Only if you can fit in it. :hysterical:

[Illusions]

There ya go! Or just grab one from the junkyard, clean it up, and bolt it in.


I have the stock seats but they are all power and are heavy mothers. 9.0's would be hard to hit with them. When your slow you need all the advantage you can get. Now where do I have my summit bucks at. :)

[Dave]

Only if you can fit in it. :hysterical:

Guess no one can do that then.

[BigdaddyDupree]

sr ill sell you a plastic racing seat with cover. 20 bucks its just taking up space here

[chrisheltra]

Im gonna fab up a cardboard racing seat. lol

[Matts94Z28]

Im gonna fab up a cardboard racing seat. lol

Get the glue sticks out!

[BigHemi]

Don't make me "test" yall's passenger seat.:mrgreen: I'm not considered a small guy.

[chrisheltra]

Don't make me "test" yall's passenger seat.:mrgreen: I'm not considered a small guy.

If so they would call you SmallHemi:hysterical:

[91notch]

The main objectives are to keep this deal simple and most of all have the participants be in REAL street cars.
No need to make it any more complicated.



The rules i suggested are not complicated by any means. They are a set of proven non-bias rules that have worked for years in multiple organizations. Why try and re-invent the wheel.

It keeps getting reiterated that this is a street car event, so meeting up and cruising a short distance to the track should not be a problem for anyone on the list. I personally think it would add some fun to the event.

[BigHemi]

The rules i suggested are not complicated by any means. They are a set of proven non-bias rules that have worked for years in multiple organizations. Why try and re-invent the wheel.

It keeps getting reiterated that this is a street car event, so meeting up and cruising a short distance to the track should not be a problem for anyone on the list. I personally think it would add some fun to the event.

Two issues I have with those rules...

One...They only allow stock suspension cars. I know there are a couple, if not more, street cars on this board that do not have stock suspension.

Two...While a cruise would be fun and would possibly expose a car that isn't exactly streetable, the fact is that it would take a fair amount of time and effort to get it organized and completed. It would just add more complications to something we are trying to keep as simple as possible.

[chrisheltra]

Street car/Race car debate in 5...4...3...2...1...

[Harry]

Who cares. Just Race.

[91notch]

Two issues I have with those rules...

One...They only allow stock suspension cars. I know there are a couple, if not more, street cars on this board that do not have stock suspension.

Two...While a cruise would be fun and would possibly expose a car that isn't exactly streetable, the fact is that it would take a fair amount of time and effort to get it organized and completed. It would just add more complications to something we are trying to keep as simple as possible.

I understand exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but your current rules have more holes in them then a fishnet. I was just trying to help solve that a little. It really doesn't bother me. The way it stands i could enter a 10.5 outlaw car in your " Street Car" race if i had one.

[BigHemi]

I understand exactly what you are trying to accomplish, but your current rules have more holes in them then a fishnet. I was just trying to help solve that a little. It really doesn't matter to me either way. The way it stands i could enter a 10.5 outlaw car in your " Street Car" race if i had one.

If that "10.5 outlaw" car you have fits my rules then by all means, bring it on.

[91notch]

If that "10.5 outlaw" car you have fits my rules then by all means, bring it on.

Hell a pro mod can almost be made to fit your rules. :hysterical: All BS aside though, I Hope everything works out and everyone has some fun. That's all that really counts.

[98Camarod]

Alright fellas...I updated the rules. I was unaware of just how many of you are running slicks when you're at the track, so no more tire rule.

Changed the muffler rule for the turbo guys.

Alright, I can race then.

[BigHemi]

Hell a pro mod can almost be made to fit your rules. :hysterical: All BS aside though, I Hope everything works out and everyone has some fun. That's all that really counts.

I hope it all works out too. I want to keep it simple...I've been involved with a few different street car series that always get so screwed up they fade away. Tried to do it at Darlington...they wanted a bracket race instead of heads up. 710 dragstrip's king of the street race is a damn joke...they don't even need a rulebook, it all depends on how Glenn is feeling that particular day. This year they aren't even making the cars be tagged and insured. The PFSC was an all mopar headsup series that dissolved after 2 years b/c they kept changing the rules so much that everyone said to hell with it.

Noone is gonna bring a high caliber car to a race like this that has no money involved.
You can't limit drivetrains at all. I don't agree in limiting suspension style b/c people have been driving big tire backhalved pro street cars on the street for decades.

This is for FUN.

[Matts94Z28]

I'm just looking forward to having some fun!

[Whaler]

Quote from the rules:

Top Dog List

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TDL: The top dog list just a friendly list of local racers that love to race.

Rules:car must be registered and insured by you. no lexan windows and no delay boxes. trans brake ok. Only family member can drive your car.

all callouts will go in a thread i start (TOP DOG CALLOUTS FOR MONTH XXX)on the 1st of each month. Do not start your own thread. it will get deleted. The callout thread will last for 7 days. in the 2nd week of the month, a list of races will be posted.

*****important, when you do a callout, your calling out a spot. not a particular person. buy the time you get to race, the person you thought you were going to race may have advanced or declined on the TOP DOG leader board******

3rd weekend of every month we will race at Bowman on a saturday
cars that dont show up for their callouts will lose their spot on the list and will be counted as a WIN for the person doing the callout. if we have a rain out/ or special occasion we will move the race to the 4th weekend.

All races will run on a Pro Tree and a red light loses.

TOP DOG and MOST WINS will recieve Prizes at the end of the year. WINS will be posted next to each members name. driving to the track will earn you a win credit

TOP DOG will start ASAP in the Spring of 2010

...and remember this list is just for fun.




Big Hemi and Ray,
Thanks for the effort. I agree with keeping it simple and letting as many people from this site in as possible. I hope everyone will give this a chance and not argue before it starts. I personally think the most wins will likely come from a car somewhere in the middle of the pack from a street driven car.

[Matts94Z28]

Are we still going to rotate between bowman and dorchester?

[Pesce Nero]

Are we still going to rotate between bowman and dorchester?

me and mike got a commitment from Bowman to open on a saturday and give us a couple lanes to use for our races. also all the races will be run on a pro tree. plus it will only be $10 to race so Bowman it is and we thank them for their support

[Matts94Z28]

Should be funny watching me on a pro tree for the first time.

[chrisheltra]

Should be funny watching me on a pro tree for the first time.

Same for me.

Gotta go check the list and see who I want to call out first. lol

[soccerspike15]

Same for me.

Gotta go check the list and see who I want to call out first. lolget gapped

[chrisheltra]

get gapped

Watch it, your in my sights. haha

[soccerspike15]

Watch it, your in my sights. haha

:bigthumb: thats why i said that lol

[Matts94Z28]

Watch it, your in my sights. haha

You must want to run the silverado... we all know he won't race the camaro! :poke:

[Pesce Nero]

Same for me.

Gotta go check the list and see who I want to call out first. lol

Chris, your calling out a spot. no one will know who you will end up racing till it plays out. i hope everyone understands that

[chrisheltra]

Chris, your calling out a spot. no one will know who you will end up racing till it plays out. i hope everyone understands that

I just reread the rules. Thanks for the clarification.

[WWhittle]

From the sounds of ya'lls arguements and descriptions of your cars, mine is more of a streetcar than ya'll! full interior minus the backseat, power windows, locks, all lights work, DOT tire, full glass, stock suspension, both front seats, carpet, etc etc etc.

Sounds like I have a real fast street car and ya'll have some slow ass race cars. All I need is $50 and i can get a tag. LOL.

[chrisheltra]

From the sounds of ya'lls arguements and descriptions of your cars, mine is more of a streetcar than ya'll! full interior minus the backseat, power windows, locks, all lights work, DOT tire, full glass, stock suspension, both front seats, carpet, etc etc etc.

Sounds like I have a real fast street car and ya'll have some slow ass race cars. All I need is $50 and i can get a tag. LOL.

Then why arent you on the list?

[WWhittle]

Then why arent you on the list?


Don't plan on racing at Dorchester or Bowman very often. Ya'll can have the fun and I will just watch from the sidelines.

How about the winner gets the back tires from me at the end of the year.

[chrisheltra]

How about the winner gets the back tires from me at the end of the year.

:hysterical:

Nice!

[91notch]

From the sounds of ya'lls arguements and descriptions of your cars, mine is more of a streetcar than ya'll! full interior minus the backseat, power windows, locks, all lights work, DOT tire, full glass, stock suspension, both front seats, carpet, etc etc etc.

Sounds like I have a real fast street car and ya'll have some slow ass race cars. All I need is $50 and i can get a tag. LOL.

:ty: That's the exact point i was trying to get across to them. If the true aim is to make this an actual real street car event, then those set of vague rules suck more then Jenna Jamison in a room full of cocks.

[chrisheltra]

^^^ Funny shit

[Whaler]

The first line in the rules reads:

TDL: The top dog list just a friendly list of local racers that love to race.

Mike, quit complaining if you're not entered. Your car has been as fast as anything entered. No where does it say "actual real street car event". If Wes wants to enter, let him half track everyone. Who cares? It's about getting a group together to race and have fun. No one is losing an entry fee to be there.

[91notch]

The first line in the rules reads:

TDL: The top dog list just a friendly list of local racers that love to race.

Mike, quit complaining if you're not entered. Your car has been as fast as anything entered. No where does it say "actual real street car event". If Wes wants to enter, let him half track everyone. Who cares? It's about getting a group together to race and have fun. No one is losing an entry fee to be there.

I have no interest in being part of this Ringling bros. circus at the present time. I'm just picking apart the rules because they seem to be catered to race cars with an identity crisis.

I never said wes shouldn't be allowed to race. I was pointing out the fact the rules are too vague to be effective in accomplishing anything. They should drop the sherrade and just say TDL Run what you brung instead of trying to pass it off as something its not.

And this is where the street car race is stated. I can qoute things too. :poke:
i understand, but streetcars are a comprimise<sp? i dont think the rules are that out of line for a supposed "street car race" that is just for fun anyway.

The main objectives are to keep this deal simple and most of all have the participants be in REAL street cars.

[Matts94Z28]

LOL, this thread might be full of win

[chrisheltra]

As seen from my perspective:

If its slower than me its a "street car"
If its faster than me its a "race car"

I sit right in the middle with a "fast DD"

haha

[Matts94Z28]

I think everyone needs to take the rules with a grain of salt. There so many variables, other than the rules, that could come into play. Just come out, do some racing, and have some fun. I don't think anyone will have high expectations considering it's not a 10k to win series, lol.

I agree with Chris in a way...

If it's faster, then I suck.
If it's slower, then it must be a 4 cylinder.

[LXtasy]

If it's faster, then I suck.
If it's slower, then it must be ai headed.



Fixed for ya

[soccerspike15]

Fixed for ya

you got the back tire for life

[Matts94Z28]

LMAO... I can't wait to see this. Wait, I think I am busy in 2015.

[soccerspike15]

LMAO... I can't wait to see this. Wait, I think I am busy in 2015.

:poke:

[Whaler]

I'm done. You can't please everyone.

[LXtasy]

you got the back tire for life

Saturday than?

[soccerspike15]

Saturday than?sure since ill be out of town lol

[LXtasy]

sure since ill be out of town lol

Is your car even together?

[Matts94Z28]

I think the blazer is set on kill, that's the word on the street though.

[soccerspike15]

Is your car even together?

nope i hope the blazer can get out of the 7's

[soccerspike15]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/gregorya44/camaroshifter1.jpg

waiting on torque arm gg

[Matts94Z28]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/gregorya44/camaroshifter1.jpg

waiting on torque arm gg




Good try, posting a picture straight off of tech.

Link owning greg: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automatic-transmission/580107-my-turbo-action-cheetah-shifter-pics.html

[soccerspike15]

those are the pics from the guy lol only thing left to do is the torque arm and measure driveshaft length but ive been thinking about selling the car

[chrisheltra]

Impressive parts list GG

http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/gregorya44/

[soccerspike15]

Impressive parts list GG

http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g53/gregorya44/

Thanks its a cam only stock headed motor :cheers

[chrisheltra]

So is mine.

[WWhittle]

I think this could be alot of fun if everyone would relax a little and just have a good time. The rules are there, but I think everyone is capable of being reasonable and knowing what is pushing it, and what isn't.

I look forward to watching from the fence.

[Illusions]

nope i hope the blazer can get out of the 7's

So where's your 7 sec timeslip? Your shit hasn't been to the track since the new setup. besides, you have to drive, no driver mod allowed.

The car may be able to go 5's but the driver can only go 8's. GMFG

[soccerspike15]

So where's your 7 sec timeslip? Your shit hasn't been to the track since the new setup. besides, you have to drive, no driver mod allowed.

The car may be able to go 5's but the driver can only go 8's. GMFGim the only one driving my car, im not letting anyone else drive my car.....these races should be fun :cheers

[Matts94Z28]

So where's your 7 sec timeslip? Your shit hasn't been to the track since the new setup. besides, you have to drive, no driver mod allowed.

The car may be able to go 5's but the driver can only go 8's. GMFG

:eek2:

[Darryl Buckner]

I think this could be alot of fun if everyone would relax a little and just have a good time. The rules are there, but I think everyone is capable of being reasonable and knowing what is pushing it, and what isn't.

I look forward to watching from the fence.


Me to, from the starting line..:bigthumb:

[91notch]

It should be entertaining to watch/compete for sure. I was just stirring the pot a little to get things exciting and draw some attention. ;)

[bwelch]

You can take me off the list if we are racing at bowman. I dont want to drive my car to BFE and then beat the shit out of it like a remount road hooker. And then drive it back from BFE. Towing isnt cheap from that far out.

[BigHemi]

91notch...all kidding aside, even with the true street rules you suggested, a car like Wes' would still be legal to run, or should I say kill everybody else on the list. If he and Steve Jackson want to come out and kick our asses, then by all means, I'd love to see it.

What I'm saying is that no matter what rules you have, someone COULD show up with a combo set on kill and clean house. But the fact is that noone with a car of that caliber is gonna do that for a race like this.
Just for example, why eliminate Kenny Mcdonald from racing in this deal? From what I gather, he has a big tire back half car that is more of a street car than a lot of people's stock suspension cars.

Alright, I'm tired of arguing. I haven't been on the track yet this year so I'm getting very anxious to get this thing started and have some fun.

[LXtasy]

those are the pics from the guy lol only thing left to do is the torque arm and measure driveshaft length but ive been thinking about selling the car

yawn. i figured you had it off jackstands. but i guess your car is scared of anything but dyno racing that it thinks its safe to go back in hiding

[Mike]

I'm excited to see how this new list will work out. Thanks to Ray, Larry, and Chip for putting this thing together, and also to all the sponsors. Hopefully we get to some good races. :bigthumb:

Just remember this is all for fun.

[wade w]

I just saw the new rules. I only have a problem with one. We havent had carpet in the car in years. I do have carpet for it but havent wanted to put it in it. Because it has holes in the floor and we do drive it in the rain. I can throw it in the back when we race if that would be OK.

[BigHemi]

I just saw the new rules. I only have a problem with one. We havent had carpet in the car in years. I do have carpet for it but havent wanted to put it in it. Because it has holes in the floor and we do drive it in the rain. I can throw it in the back when we race if that would be OK.

Holes in the floor?:boohoo:

[wade w]

Holes in the floor?:boohoo:

Ya. from the cage and a little rust. Dont want to ruin the carpet.

[BigHemi]

Ya. from the cage and a little rust. Dont want to ruin the carpet.

You're going to need to put carpet in the car if you want to run the TDL. Some universal carpet for the auto parts store is cheap.

[1iron]

You're going to need to put carpet in the car if you want to run the TDL. Some universal carpet for the auto parts store is cheap.

So slicks are good but carpet is an issue? That car is a street car period. How about no big blocks over 420 ci. and just need registration and insurance.

[bwelch]

You're going to need to put carpet in the car if you want to run the TDL. Some universal carpet for the auto parts store is cheap.

Thats stupid. Slicks are ok but no carpet isnt. I think if he is willing to trailer his car from savannah to Bowman to participate then the carpet roll up in the trunk should be ok.

[Pesce Nero]

how could a few simple rules be such a huge problem?

[BigdaddyDupree]

Thats stupid. Slicks are ok but no carpet isnt. I think if he is willing to trailer his car from savannah to Bowman to participate then the carpet roll up in the trunk should be ok.

are you participating?

[bwelch]

are you participating?

If it was at dorchester I would.

[Pesce Nero]

If it was at dorchester I would.

poor baby. does your vagina bleed constantly?

[BigdaddyDupree]

but it isnt so why worry. ill drive my s-10 up there if you drive your car

[BigHemi]

:boohoo: bwelch...You're bitching about rules for a race you aren't even running?! Maybe you're doing the right thing and staying on the porch.

[bwelch]

poor baby. does your vagina bleed constantly?

1200 driveshaft
700 axles
600 inner stubs
600 outer stubs

3100 just to make my independent rear not break. I dont have money like that right now. I would race my car on stock drivetrain at dorchester since the tow would be 100 or so. But a tow from bowman aint cheap and everybody I know with a car trailer is on the TDL. And I for some reason am gonna play nice over your comment dick head

[chrisheltra]

Must be getting closer to race day. lol

[Illusions]

:Group Hug: Feel The Love :Group Hug:

:hysterical:

[bwelch]

:boohoo: bwelch...You're bitching about rules for a race you aren't even running?! Maybe you're doing the right thing and staying on the porch.

IMO... your rules are screwed up. you need tags and insurance to race but a non DOT tire is allowed. I think let every car run even drag cars how they sit if they want too. A slower car driven to the track can still win because it gets a win for driving to the track. You could rotate between Bowman and Dorchester since over 3/4 of the list has to pass Dorchester to get to bowman.

Also if you cant take constructive criticism then come lick my blooding vagina fags...

[Pesce Nero]

IMO... your rules are screwed up. you need tags and insurance to race but a non DOT tire is allowed. I think let every car run even drag cars how they sit if they want too. A slower car driven to the track can still win because it gets a win for driving to the track. You could rotate between Bowman and Dorchester since over 3/4 of the list has to pass Dorchester to get to bowman.

Also if you cant take constructive criticism then come lick my blooding vagina fags...

how different is an ET Street to a ET Drag tire?

a little carpet on the floor to make an interior look complete is not to much to ask for "street car rules"

Bowman is giving us lanes to work out of, only $10 to get in and will change the tree.

Dorchester is not open either and i was told last night its being repaved so i dont know when it will be open.

also, all you do is complain over and over and over

[AverageJoe]

My only beef with the rules is the way the list is ranked. I think it would be better if the tdl was determined by times ran on the tdl race days or maybe a points system, instead of people on the list having to call out each race. For example, lets say you make it out on the first tdl day and finish the day top dog. Awesome, right?

Then, the next race day you get called out by everyone on a day you have to work. Now you have dropped to last, just because you couldn't make it.

Next thing you know we finish the season with MonteC and his Akra Intugra as top dog because maybe he was the only one to show up for the last race or someone broke.

Now this isn't really a big deal to me, since I am painfully slow and would finish last whether I made every race or not. I just think it would be cooler if at the end of the season, the top dog was the fastest car that went to some of the tdl races.

[BigdaddyDupree]

joe your unemployed shut the fuck up. :)

[AverageJoe]

joe your unemployed shut the fuck up. :)

Well, my heavy car w/driver weighs less than your light truck w/driver.:finger:

[Matts94Z28]

Abreast this thread is entertaining... stfu and race Damnit.

[BigHemi]

I'm not going to defend my position on these rules anymore. Don't like em? Then stay home and bitch about it. Otherwise, come to bowman on the 20th and get some.

[soccerspike15]

I'm not going to defend my position on these rules anymore. Don't like em? Then stay home and bitch about it. Otherwise, come to bowman on the 20th and get some.:bigthumb:

[slowgreen99]

This shits funny. The sad thing is that everyone bitches about "too much arguing and bullshit in grudge racing", yet this is more crying, bitching, bullshit and confusion than grudge racing.

[adamsgto2004]

:boohoo:

[AverageJoe]

I'm not going to defend my position on these rules anymore. Don't like em? Then stay home and bitch about it. Otherwise, come to bowman on the 20th and get some.


For the record, I wasn't crying, just making a suggestion.

[Illusions]

I don't see it as people bitching I see valid points. looks like the rules were set around a few vehicles only. oh there is also a difference between a ET Street and a ET drag. The ET Street is DOT legal and the ET drag is a slick. we run an ET street radial which most run here but its gotten pretty amusing to see the rules change to fit certain vehicles.

How about,
carpet/seating: hell you can pull your interior out just as easy as it is for us to install seats. quit your crying

Tires: are they rubber? Looks like they will work as long as they are round.

Track: well hands down Bowman is a better track. There is more of a chance the races will not finish at Dorchester due to debris, trains, and normal delays in racing we see nightly. if someone breaks and we are not broken, we'll gladly help get them home if they fit on the trailer. I also do not like staying too long at Dorchester for obvious reasons.

Why not throw the stips out and run what ya brung and hope you brung enough!

You can keep the "if you drive to the track bla bla bla " rules if it helps get people in the staging lanes.

[bwelch]

Valid points = complaining. In the eyes of the TDL committee.

opinions = bitching.

The reason I say let everybody run how they sit(even allow promods if they want too) is because nobody will have to spend money or change their car. If you drive in the gate its a free win. That way will be less of a headache for all of us and their is nothing to bitch about. You say yall want to up participation but your limiting participation by running off drag cars. If some members are kind enough to help broke cars get home then I game.

[1iron]

Valid points = complaining. In the eyes of the TDL committee.

opinions = bitching.

The reason I say let everybody run how they sit(even allow promods if they want too) is because nobody will have to spend money or change their car. If you drive in the gate its a free win. That way will be less of a headache for all of us and their is nothing to bitch about. You say yall want to up participation but your limiting participation by running off drag cars. If some members are kind enough to help broke cars get home then I game.

If you break your car I'll drag it home for you. I'll be at most of the events. My name is Paul but I will also be known as "Top Dog"

[soccerspike15]

If you break your car I'll drag it home for you. I'll be at most of the events. My name is Paul but I will also be known as "Top Dog"

:hysterical::yourock::bigthumb:

[DolSVT00]

This thread = Win

[Harry]

You'll never please everybody. Every race has rules. What's the saying. GET IN WHERE YOU FIT IN!!!!

[Chillerman]

If you break your car I'll drag it home for you. I'll be at most of the events. My name is Paul but I will also be known as "Top Dog"

Who you plan on beating. You forget about that but whooping I gave you @ Carolina last month!:owned2:

[1iron]

Who you plan on beating. You forget about that but whooping I gave you @ Carolina last month!:owned2:

Ooops. I didn't think you were in.:hail:

[chucktownsrt8]

New to the site, and I was looking to run at Bowman this weekend for the top dog. I know there are a few people on here that already know me. So put me on the list ( Jeep SRT8 ) Bring it :Finger2:

[soccerspike15]

New to the site, and I was looking to run at Bowman this weekend for the top dog. I know there are a few people on here that already know me. So put me on the list ( Jeep SRT8 ) Bring it :Finger2:

callin out neal lol

[BigdaddyDupree]

New to the site, and I was looking to run at Bowman this weekend for the top dog. I know there are a few people on here that already know me. So put me on the list ( Jeep SRT8 ) Bring it :Finger2:

o snap! welcome mike

[chucktownsrt8]

Thanks, but I'm done racing Neal for a while. I want some new blood.

[Pesce Nero]

Thanks, but I'm done racing Neal for a while. I want some new blood.

met you a couple weeks ago. i just might put you in the number 1 spot if you plan on comming out there next weekend. :bigthumb:

[chucktownsrt8]

Haha! Hey! I remember. I heard from Neal that you had an old school Challenger or Cuda. I would love to see that thing. Baring some tragedy, I'll be out there this Sat. for sure! Sounds like a good time.

[Illusions]

met you a couple weeks ago. i just might put you in the number 1 spot if you plan on coming out there next weekend. :bigthumb:

Rules change daily now? New comers start at the bottom of the list and have to work their way up. Just like the rest. Let us slow guys enjoy the top for awhile. :):bigthumb:

[Pesce Nero]

Rules change daily now? New comers start at the bottom of the list and have to work their way up. Just like the rest. Let us slow guys enjoy the top for awhile. :):bigthumb:

his truck is a cam only 4 wheel drive. i'm not starting him at the bottom. oh, he is on street tires also.

[Mike]

his truck is a cam only 4 wheel drive. i'm not starting him at the bottom. oh, he is on street tires also.

JMHO!!!!

If he is running this month, I think he needs to start below the lowest person on the list already calling someone out.
....but
If you put him on the list for next month I think he should go above the highest person that didn't show up this month.

Ray your the one with the most time and effort putting this thing together, so you do what you want.

[Pesce Nero]

JMHO!!!!

If he is running this month, I think he needs to start below the lowest person on the list already calling someone out.
....but
If you put him on the list for next month I think he should go above the highest person that didn't show up this month.

Ray your the one with the most time and effort putting this thing together, so you do what you want.

with Monte not showing up, i was just simply thinking it would make for more races, thats all

[chucktownsrt8]

I'll start at the top or the bottom, makes no difference to me, I'm new. I kind of understand the jist of it, but exactly how does it work?

[Mike]

with Monte not showing up, i was just simply thinking it would make for more races, thats all

Good point. :hail:

How about put him in 10 or 11, that way he has a chance to get to #1 if he drives to the track. :hide:

[Illusions]

As I said before the rules change daily. We had this discussion in the other thread and everyone that joined late was added to the bottom of the list so it wouldn't mess up the call outs. Now you add people where ever you like. If your going to add someone to the list at least follow your own rules.

[Pesce Nero]

As I said before the rules change daily. We had this discussion in the other thread and everyone that joined late was added to the bottom of the list so it wouldn't mess up the call outs. Now you add people where ever you like. If your going to add someone to the list at least follow your own rules.

Hal, your right, didnt think it would be such a big deal. :hail:

[bwelch]

This thread = Win

x2.:hysterical:

[Pesce Nero]

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[Illusions]

Just pointing out inconsistencies. Didn't mean to piss in the Cheerios. :)

[chrisheltra]

Ronald started a thread not long ago saying they were going to be open on Sundays now temporarily. Are we running the tdl race on Saturday or Sunday now?

http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5262

[MonteC]

Damn wish i could make it this month.

[Pesce Nero]

Ronald started a thread not long ago saying they were going to be open on Sundays now temporarily. Are we running the tdl race on Saturday or Sunday now?

http://www.carolinahorsepower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5262

They will be open on saturdays for top dog races

[LXtasy]

what about this saturday? can we get that confirmed? Chris is right , ronald stated the sunday opening and not the saturday opening

[Mike]

I talked to Ronald last weekend, and they said they would be opened on Saturday.

[Chillerman]

If we run top dog this Saturday, I can't make it. Got family stuff planned out of town. If we run on Sunday I'm good to go. If not then I will have to wait until next month.

[chrisheltra]

As of now and we all know this can change at anytime but....

There is a 0% chance of rain on Saturday and a 40% chance of rain on Sunday. Just an FYI.