This is my new favorite thread

[DolSVT00]

http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-lightnings/160759-new-dyno-numbers-amazon.html

Please everyone go to ATS. They will make you go fast!

[Mike]

I agree.

Great tuner, they definitely have some of the highest HP trucks out there.......and with their simulated 1/4 mile run being so accurate, you'd be crazy not to use them.

[Jeff]

You have to love a tooner that gives out corrected dyno jet numbers on a mustang dyno .

[Richard Head]

Now, now Mikey. Be nice!

[chrisheltra]

Keep talkin Im gonna whoop all yalls asses at the track!

[DolSVT00]

ya just ask Andre on NLOC http://www.nloc.net/vbforum/gen-2-lightnings/158874-uk-thunder-lightning-meeting-report-56k-death.htm
Built motor, ATS tune 13.35 blazing fast 1/4 mile times

[Mike]

Keep talkin Im gonna whoop all yalls asses on the simulated dyno
Chris I fixed your post..... :poke:

[05Saleen]

Built motor, ATS tune 13.35 blazing fast 1/4 mile times

:wow: :hide:

[Whaler]

:wak:

[Zacharyx]

Are the numbers more accurate than they used to be?? A friend had his car tuned there and when he was redynoed on a Dyno-Jet hes was down over 50HP

[Whaler]

Are the numbers more accurate than they used to be?? A friend had his car tuned there and when he was redynoed on a Dyno-Jet hes was down over 50HP

Juiced numbers? Barry Bonds? Is this true?

[Slowleen]

the numbers on my 01 were way off going from rick to a dynojet...I'm not the only one who had that problem, so I doubt it was the dynojet the car ended up on afterwards. The tune was good though, but I'm convinced he inflates his numbers to make him look good...and thats from personal experience

[Magoo]

Rick gives those inflated numbers because people want to see the big #'s. They see the MD #'s and get all their feelings all hurt. I will say his email tunes were a hit or miss for me, but he always got me straightened out.......but don't forget I did go 11.1@127 on one of his email tunes with my car on blower only. I took the car down there to get dyno tuned and it runs damn good.

[Zacharyx]

I have never had car tuned by them, but Tim makes 2 inflated numbers, i think if you are hurt by low numbers from a MD then grow up and realize or go find a dynojet. I say take your low HP# sheet with you to hurt feeling when you out run peoples feelings. A dyno is a tuning tool and a cool sheet to brag about on the internet. Timeslips are a much better judge.

I think peak numbers are way overrated anyway. I think the area under the curve matters more since you will be in that range more often

[LXtasy]

I have never had car tuned by them, but Tim makes 2 inflated numbers, i think if you are hurt by low numbers from a MD then grow up and realize or go find a dynojet. I say take your low HP# sheet with you to hurt feeling when you out run peoples feelings. A dyno is a tuning tool and a cool sheet to brag about on the internet. Timeslips are a much better judge.

I think peak numbers are way overrated anyway. I think the area under the curve matters more since you will be in that range more often
Agree 100%.

Dynojet numbers all always alittle higher. Unless you go to Powerzone. It is a hit or miss at that place.

[Slowleen]

well him being dishonest about the numbers isnt cool to me.I never expected my car to make some big huge number. But when it pulls 355rwhp on a mustang dyno, and then shortly after the new owners throw it on a dyno jet and it pulls 339rwhp...I get to wondering.

Come to find out a guy i know who owns a shop in VA had a dyno day, where a bunch of his customers were there, and they all pulled below his mustang dyno numbers on a dynojet...and quite a few of them are lean.

Now, I never said anything bad about his tuning ability, my 01 saleen really did run good, and in the end that is all that mattered to me, I was personally worried about making 380rwhp on a stock gt shortblock, but dishonesty is dishonesty...and then to turn around and be friends with Bill B. who sold me a stolen motor, and screwed me a shane over big time...just was kind of like stabbing me in the back and twisting the knife a little.

I guess overall, im not to big of a fan of Rick anymore after all that...but like i said...I'm one person who had a somewhat of a bad experience with him to some degree, and then a real bad one personally. I wouldnt steer anyone away from going to him b/c I think he is a good tuner, but at this point with what happened to me, i'd give someone else my money before him

[clubracergt1]

Damn, guys. I thought you all knew that the only dyno numbers that matter are the air/fuel numbers. You can differ 20 hp (dyno or real world) with the only difference being air temp and humidity. Not to mention things like altitude and fuel quality. Even my slow ass knows that the only numbers that count are printed on a time slip. Of course, I know that none of you here are dyno racers; but it just floors me when people worry so much about what numbers they put down on the rollers.

Sorry, guys. Just ranting.

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

Tim Yeager..when you got "ripped off" who gave you a motor in exchange for a set of crappy heads? all we ever did is try to help you and this is what we get from you.. I have heard your story and Shanes and Mikes and Bills..and only God knows the real truth..what happened..that was not our mess but we tried to be unbiased with you all..and give each of you the benefit of the doubt..

we do not give inflated dyno #s... we gave converted to DJ #s from a computer program that MD gave us...we dont do that anymore because it confused people who didnt understand..

Rick doesnt care about dyno #s..he uses the dyno to tune not massage egos with #s...

the 1/4 mile runs are as accurate as they can be given the way the data is collected.. it is just a fun thing to do..

you can not compare results from different dynos..period...ever...
it is what it is on that given day and time and place..especially from another competing vendors shop...we had a shop in VA telling everyone that the tunes were lean and it turned out that his AF monitoring equiptment was not giving accurate readings..


you should have no beef with Amazon...we helped you when you were in a bind and you gave us a set of heads that were crap and not even close to equal value of the engine..

Randy Smith...Rick could have revised your tune if you would have provided him with the correct date he asked you for...he even offered to dyno tune it at no charge so he could collect the data he needed but you were not interested and just gave up..so you basically repaid for something that Rick was willing to do for free and has offered to do even with your PSP emailed tune..I know you felt like you were jumping through hoops but properly collected specific data is essentail for optimal revision..

Jeff... your car ran 11.30@122mph with the first tune that Rick did for your car ..at the track in BG...when you came up here for a dyno tune you SAID you were happy but after seeing what you post about Amazon these days..you NEVER were happy so you were telling us one thing and saying another behind our back

to our loyal customers..thank you for your support..we appreciate your trust in Amazon ..

[///Mcompact]

I had my Evo tuned there. The first time I hit the fun pedal, it did two somersaults, landed on all fours and blew up with awesomeness as confetti came raining down from the sky.

Oh wait...

Yeah..dunno anything about that there tuning shop...just craving for some attention.

I have, however, bought a few books from amazon.com and have even watched the episode "Hercules and the Amazon Women". A bunch of hot, femme-nazi chicks that chased Kevin Sorbo around in the jungle made my heart race. Personally, I don't know why he was running from them. Batting for the wrong team?

A real shame that show was canceled, though. Not since "Mac and Me" has there been such original and mind blowing plot lines filled with high rate special effects.

Anyways..so it seems that I am *somewhat* qualified to speak on behalf of the matters of Amazon, after all.

[DolSVT00]

Randy Smith...Rick could have revised your tune if you would have provided him with the correct date he asked you for...he even offered to dyno tune it at no charge so he could collect the data he needed but you were not interested and just gave up..so you basically repaid for something that Rick was willing to do for free and has offered to do even with your PSP emailed tune..I know you felt like you were jumping through hoops but properly collected specific data is essentail for optimal revision.

First off I tried. I have called, sent data, tried new tunes, bla bla bla. I have an e-mail inbox with 8 useless tunes. All of which have an air fuel that is soo rich that my wideband can't even get readings because it's stuck at 10.0.

Not to mention the fact that none of them work with the MAFIA, which is unless they put a diesel motor in my lightning (black smoke)? All of which have shift problems where it sounds like a midget with a jackhammer beating on my tranny.

Drive to Anderson for a free tune, no thanks why would I want to drive 5 hours to go slower :roll:

Properly collected data?........ Funny, the tuner I have now must have ESP. He asked for 2 data points then sent 2 tunes (for my broke MAFIA) and told me what I would see on the wideband. I drove it down the road, looked at my wideband and it was like ESP............. He knew what the A/F was before my wideband did?
Nah........ I think he just knows how to tune a lightning

[Magoo]

we do not give inflated dyno #s... we gave converted to DJ #s from a computer program that MD gave us...we dont do that anymore because it confused people who didnt understand..
.


That's what I was referring to when I said the inflated numbers was the converted numbers.

[clubracergt1]

Kiley-

I love you, man. In a purely figurative, heterosexual way-of course. That was some funny stuff.

[05Saleen]

Wow. I quess Amazon Tuning came on here to spy on you guy's. They didn't even have the courtesy to introduce themselves on our forum. But quick to defend themselves. :?

I'm sorry. Kiley that shit was funny. :hysterical:

[Whaler]

:punch: :fight: :Group Hug: :tequilla2: :b:

[SWThomas]

:orly:

[Whaler]

Gotta like a good comedy. :lol:

[Mike]

Rick doesnt care about dyno #s..he uses the dyno to tune not massage egos with #s...

That is that way it should be. All I care about is E.T. at the track.

the 1/4 mile runs are as accurate as they can be given the way the data is collected.. it is just a fun thing to do..


I agree it probably is a fun thing to do.

Although my impression from your posts on NLOC was; if a vehicle ran 8.0 on your simulated dyno it should be able to run the same number at the track. :roll:

I don't know how well Rick tunes I have never used him. I get the impression from local guys that he is very conservative. That's great if you don't want to sacrifice durability for performance. To me that would suck to constantly get outrun by people with equal or less mods.

Anyways Linn welcome to the site. I hope I don't get banned here like I did on NLOC for expressing my opinion. :lol:

[Slowleen]

First let me say to you (linn/rick) that I think Rick is a fine tuner as I stated before, my car ran awesome, and I would never try to convince someone not to use you as i've also said before.

I am also not trying to get in an argument, I know your defending a business, but I suppose to touch on a few things...

1) You did do me a big favor by taking those heads in trade for a stock gt engine that was very low miles, however I wouldnt call them junk. I would agree with you the port job was "eh", so we'll call them basically just "cleaned up", with new comp cam 270's, and comp cam springs, so they werent junk, and they were worth some money. I also recall seeing those heads up for sale for a decent asking price...were they worth quite as much as that low mile engine...no, but i also would not agree that the price gap was so huge that it was a dumb decision to do it. If they were that bad, the trade would of never happened..atleast it was seem that way.

2) When I picked the engine up, Rick told me i'd be charged $250 for a tune, flat fee, he was trying to help me out, and I expressed my great gratitude for that. When I did tune about a month to 6 weeks later, i paid $450ish...brought up the thing to rick...he said I was mistaken, but I know what I heard, but I asked him when he mentioned the $250 flat fee...so some of that cylinder head money for engine difference was made up. In the end I was fine with it..I was just happy that whole experience was behind me in terms of finally having the car back after 9 months.

3) Shane's car had the wrong meter on it, he went through 3 tranny's before it was finally fixed...All I know is that you guys installed the meter on the car when he was up there to tune. So if that is infact the case..then thats not good, if something else happened in some course of time...then my apologies, I am mistaken

4) The dyno numbers...I know a dyno is just a tuning tool, as I stated before, I didnt really care about #'s, I just wanted safety and as much reliability as possible. I got it from Rick and ATS. However somehow the car pulled 15rwhp less on a dynojet then a mustang dyno, with the same air fuel ratio ect. After talking to someone I've known for a long time that has had dyno days with your cars on them...they all read way to low and some of the tunes were off. Is that everywhere? I dont know, but to the common customer it would make it seem like you may try to make yourself look better by inflating the numbers on the dyno. Like i said, if that is truly not the case, then my apologies, i am in the mistaken and completely in the wrong

5) However the being chummy with Bill B. at the last SVT track day at jackson really bothered me on a personally level. Its not necessarily anything you guys would do "wrong"...but to me its a "you are who you associate with" mentality. I was floored that you guyts hung out for basically 4 hrs straight after everything that had gone on. I later heard the rumor bill was actually working for you...but then that got discredited pretty fast. I certainly hoped that he wasnt b/c it was obvious he had no idea what he was doing.

THe whole Low ET performace was a cluster f&ck, who knows what all happened, however I know out of pocket Mike finished my car and took a huge hit on it, and did what bill wouldnt. Mike has always been upfront and honest with me, even when I didn't want to hear it. So I would say I trust him and consider him a friend, I would say Bill is the biggest liar I have ever met, before there was ever a LOW ET, he had my car for 4 months and didnt touch it...then lied about touching it for another 4 months with the "oh its almost done"...he never did crap...mike had to do it in the end when bill left.

All that little story leads me up to is the association with bill really bothered, and that was the point where I said "I wont bother with ATS anymore" ... I guess I had my feelings hurt, im sure it wasnt your intention...but im forever scarred after that occurence of events. Even if the dyno number ? never came up, and shane's car was fine...the whole Bill thing would of been enough to make me not come back anyways. Its quite possible an over reaction, I wont deny thats a possibility, however that situation to this day still bothers me that bad.

So for what instances I am wrong about, my apologies, as I've said I wouldnt ever steer business away from you, and my not coming back as a customer is strictily on a personal level that doesnt even really deal with Rick/Linn as people, but just the Bill thing.

I do wish you guys all the best, and as far as I know the '01 is still not blown back up...which is a plus

[doggystyle]

I had my Evo tuned there. The first time I hit the fun pedal, it did two somersaults, landed on all fours and blew up with awesomeness as confetti came raining down from the sky.

Oh wait...

Yeah..dunno anything about that there tuning shop...just craving for some attention.

I have, however, bought a few books from amazon.com and have even watched the episode "Hercules and the Amazon Women". A bunch of hot, femme-nazi chicks that chased Kevin Sorbo around in the jungle made my heart race. Personally, I don't know why he was running from them. Batting for the wrong team?

A real shame that show was canceled, though. Not since "Mac and Me" has there been such original and mind blowing plot lines filled with high rate special effects.

Anyways..so it seems that I am *somewhat* qualified to speak on behalf of the matters of Amazon, after all.

post of the year!!!! :D i had a SCT mail order tune from JMS chip and they had me spot on at 11.5 A/F across the board and the car made 472/466 SAE in 98 degree san antonio heat, ill stick with JMS for sure, especially after reading this...

[Jeff]

Jeff... your car ran 11.30@122mph with the first tune that Rick did for your car ..at the track in BG...when you came up here for a dyno tune you SAID you were happy but after seeing what you post about Amazon these days..you NEVER were happy so you were telling us one thing and saying another behind our back

My tune was always lean even after getting " custom tooned " on your dyno . I tried to get that fixed but got ignored . I tried to get my real dyno numbers and got ignored . I tried to get my tunes that Rick made to have back ups of them but got ignored . I was happy at first , but then got tired of getting the run around . So yeah a bad taste was left in my mouth after those incidents .

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

.. Randy and Jeff..your experience with Amazon is not typical or truely reflects Ricks tuning abilities..we have thousands of satisfied customers all over the world..my aplogizes to you then gentlemen for your percieved failures with us..I tell everyone to CC me too when emailing so that I can keep current..and double check with Rick about customer requests..

Rick does his email every morning so if you arent getting a responce from him within 24-48 hours he is not getting your emails..he gets hundreds a day and it takes the better part of the morning to answer them all..he also has spam filters so alot of times he never gets what has been sent..

Tim.. Im just plain disappointed in your attitude about Amazon and the comments you have made..please dont find yourself in a legal position from spreading libelous statements..

we have given all persons involved in the Low ET incident the benefit of the doubt and have not judged any of them..we helped them all when asked to do so..3 of the 4 threw us under the bus and continue to do so..

our usually charge for tuning is $250 for the first hour if you have a chip or tuner purchased from us..$150 for additional hours per hour..
if you have a chip or flasher that is not purchased from us then your 1st hour is $400..if you need a chip or flasher then that is $300-399 added to the $250

your bill was for 2 hours of tuning.. $250 and $150.. I have record of you paying $140 by CC for this bill


I didnt introduce myself because most everyone involved here already knows who I am

for those of you who dont.. HI I'm Linn @ Amazon.. my husband Rick and I are just trying to make a living without getting beat up all the time about the choice of dyno we purchased to use as a tuning tool..Rick is a Lightning tuner of long standing even tho he is better known for his work with 03/04 Cobras..We go way back with Sal..Amazon and PSP cosponsered the 2 nd Modular Shootout..

[05Saleen]

I didnt introduce myself because most everyone involved here already knows who I am

for those of you who dont.. HI I'm Linn @ Amazon.. my husband Rick and I are just trying to make a living without getting beat up all the time about the choice of dyno we purchased to use as a tuning tool..Rick is a Lightning tuner of long standing even tho he is better known for his work with 03/04 Cobras..We go way back with Sal..Amazon and PSP cosponsered the 2 nd Modular Shootout..

Hi Linn. Not everone knows you and Rick. Most people join forums to communicate or help another out. You guy's registered in July and didn't even introduces yourselves to this forum. Obviously you are not trying to drum up business or help anyone out on this forum or you would of done so. So obviously you have joined to troll our boards. :roll:

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

people send me links they think I should see and I respond or I dont..someone obviously was concerned enough about the negative comments on this site to let me know about it.. I don t have time to troll

[Whaler]

Sounds like a tough business.

[Linn@AmazonTuning]

not anymore than any other business where you have to build and maintain a reputation then protect it from others who want to discredit it...

just like any one of you would do if you felt your livilyhood was being jeopardized..

[DolSVT00]

not anymore than any other business where you have to build and maintain a reputation then protect it from others who want to discredit it...

just like any one of you would do if you felt your livilyhood was being jeopardized..

Livelihood was being jeopardized????
Because of the posts here?
I doubt it; I was warned away from Amazon long before this forum was started. By individuals who don't even post here, but I chose not to listen to those warnings and instead became a customer.

I was nothing but polite and patient. And offered all the information I could.

Being a customer did not work for me, then it did not work for another lightning owner that I recommended to you. And now I'm not 100% positive but, I believe its not working for another local lightning owner.

We all know what's been done to each otherÔÇÖs trucks, we all race together weekly and now we have all gotten bad track numbers from your tunes.

That in my opinion is what jeopardizes livelihood.

[LXtasy]

Damn. So on another board if you talk bad about a "forum sponsor" you get banned? :roll: What if it happens on another board, will you still get banned on a board that they sponsor?



Just trying to get the facts.

[Slowleen]

Linn, I am also disappointed in you guys...the road goes both ways. One of them (the bill situation) is one for me personally, and completely not business related...THAT is why I wouldnt go back to you guys, it stems from the "you are who you associate with" to me..and only me.

My car made 15rwhp less on a newer dynojet then on your mustang dyno...I dont know what else to say...I guess so I dont get "sued"...I wont say anymore...that is a fact...and I also know for a fact that Im not the only one who had that happen. You DO NOT inflate your numbers to look good...I was mistaken...its just an odd occurence that it happened

I know shane's car got the wrong MAF on it, that is a fact...where it came from and who put it on, and did it ever get switched for another one...I guess no one knows..but you guys installed in the beginning, I guess that whole situation is to big of a cluster f&ck to find out what really happened in the end

And you did try to sell those "crap" heads for a good chunk of change, so if your fair...I suppose they werent all that crappy.

Like i said, I wasnt here for an argument, I thought I was very polite about it all, and i've never steered away any business from you guys ever...I just stated facts for my own personal experience...if I can't do that, then freedom of speech is worse off then I already thought it was.

I don't want to argue, nor can I afford to get sued, so this is where I'll shut my mouth about hte whole thing b/c if you sued me...you'd get a 27 inch tv, a 20 yr old saleen mustang, and a nice bedroom set lol. However threatening to sue over what are seen as facts, atleast in my eyes and some other who are involved...doesnt get you any farther with me recommending people to go there when its as simple as addressing what I did say...I thought I laid it out there pretty easy to do so. I wanted to stimulate conversation, in that last post, that is all.

So for the 3rd time...im done with this post...i might get myself in trouble

[LXtasy]

Sue Sue Sue. People through that word around easy these days.

I am going to SUE you Tim because you won't let me touch your Saleen. lol

[///Mcompact]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/kiley_sean/herculesamazon.jpg

[Jeff]

Linn I did CC you when I was trying to get all of this done . Linn you have plenty of un happy customers as well seems to be a good bit of amazon bashers on modualrfords.com .

And Tim quit being so apologetic on this . Tell them just to sue you and get it over with . Tell them to spend all that money and get nothing in return . I think it's honestly childish to throw out a sue threat anyway . Sounds like Linn has done this before to people .

[jay_99z]

.. Randy and Jeff..your experience with Amazon is not typical or truely reflects Ricks tuning abilities..we have thousands of satisfied customers all over the world..my aplogizes to you then gentlemen for your percieved failures with us..I tell everyone to CC me too when emailing so that I can keep current..and double check with Rick about customer requests..


Well shit......we must be the luckiest people on the planet!!!! We only have 58 members. Since I didn't have any tuning done by you that takes the number to 57 possible members to get tuning done by you.


So you may have had thousands happy. You have two unhappy on here alone. Out of our 57 how many had tuning done? 5?


Help me out here. I'm trying to get all my numbers correct. Right now it appears that you guys blow.


Welcome to the site! Hope you stay around. This could be entertaining.

[doggystyle]

like i said now i wont be using them, i wouldnt let them tune my huffy...

[Slowleen]

Linn I did CC you when I was trying to get all of this done . Linn you have plenty of un happy customers as well seems to be a good bit of amazon bashers on modualrfords.com .

And Tim quit being so apologetic on this . Tell them just to sue you and get it over with . Tell them to spend all that money and get nothing in return . I think it's honestly childish to throw out a sue threat anyway . Sounds like Linn has done this before to people .

Now Jeffrey, you know how anti-drama I can be...Im just saving myself a headache...they are doing a good jobs of making them look worse then the 1 guy who wasnt happy with their tune, and the 1 guy who didnt like them b/c they associated with the wrong person. Now seriously...im done with this post

[Ka-Chow]

Damn. this is funnier than the trash talk

[doggystyle]

best thread evar!!! tim said he was done about 6 posts ago, i think linn may keep poking though lol

[snakeplissken]

Tim.. Im just plain disappointed in your attitude about Amazon and the comments you have made..please dont find yourself in a legal position from spreading libelous statements..


Now I do not claim to be Judge Learned Hand, but allow me to educate you on Torts 101:

Truth is an absolute defense to slander/libel allegations.

Thanks for stopping by, please come back when you can't stay so long.

[Ka-Chow]

But I have to say that I did run the fastest time w/ the L on rick's tune. That was 7.87 It just was not consistent... JDM had me consistent in 8.0XX and a couple of runs in the 7.9XX

[05Saleen]

But I have to say that I did run the fastest time w/ the L on rick's tune. That was 7.87 It just was not consistent... JDM had me consistent in 8.0XX

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See it is not all negative. We have one happy customer. :D New best!!!

[Magoo]

See it is not all negative. We have one happy customer. :D New best!!!

My times are on Amazon tuning also Morey.....

[Whaler]

See it is not all negative. We have one happy customer. :D New best!!!

My times are on Amazon tuning also Morey.....

2!
Any tunes from anyone else?

[DolSVT00]

This post describes my old problem to a tee http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413002

And between the two people who complain in this thread and myself we all had only one thing in common.

We all had ATS tunes

For those of you that dont wanna read here you go.
Is it dying? haha
But seriously. I was out running around last night, and i noticed the 1-2 shift was soft. I have a Circle D 2400 stall, and a FTVB in a stock tranny. Its always shifted great, up until now. The 2-3 is harder than 1-2, but i cant tell if its softer than it used to be. Its worse under heeavy throttle. And one time today, the wifey had the truck, and under full throttle getting on the highway it bumped the rev limiter so she lifted and it shifted, when it was going from 1-2. Any ideas?
Fluid is full. Tranny was serviced when the converter went in in april or may. Tranny temps were around 150 all day today driving it. Fluid doesnt smell burnt. When the truck is in gear, and the converter is locked, it feels fine.

mine started giving me shit around 35-40K stock converter and valve body just a line mod (**** line mods)

Dereck had an even longer post on SVTP about his tranny but I can't find it cause the site is too slow.

Too bad I can't help them out without getting banned from a forum.
The solution is simple too........Get a new tuner.

[Mike]

Too bad I can't help them out without getting banned from a forum.


......And that's sad. You should be able to make a post saying I had the exact same problem, and a new tune fixed the problem. There is no reason you should be banned for that, but from my experience you would be.

[Ka-Chow]

I will log in and do it. I dont care

[Ka-Chow]

here is what I wrote... you can go look.
"You know a buddy of mine had the same problem.... I will not say the name of the tuner he was with......ok it was amazon. It was shifting soft from one - 2 and he said it felt like it was dying on him. He fixed the problem with a new tune. Ok you can bann me now. "

There you go.

[05Saleen]

I was asked to post this for Shane. He is having problems signing in. Mike could you see why Shane can't log in. Thanks.

From: shane361
To: 05Saleen
Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: Hi
Please post this in the other site since I cant seem to log onto it. That or get someone to help me if you can I will post it.

Since I got mentioned here is my 2cents.
My email tune with the 04 Cobra was dead on and the air fuel was great. Always enjoyed Rick and Lynn and was always more than happy to drive 5 hours to give them my business. With that said....this is what I have to say about the he said/she said comment from Lynn. Look at your receipts and see wath MAF you sold me. Its a FACT that I was sold a 4 prong lightning 90mm with NO air intake sensor. No external air intake sensor was installed either. Now...after that every 200 miles on the average my tranny blew..3 times all the same. Then an air intake sensor was installed along with a stock tranny and no problems whatsoever. So how does an auto tranny work with the computer with NO AIS? Next issue...midnight after a tune Rick blamed the tranny for a loss of 70HP from a previous tune of 400. After we unstrapped the car I mentioned another issue which we found and corrected. It was a cut in a hose comming from the valve cover going into the upper intake. At idle the hose would colapse and was sucking for air. Any guess what it would do in boost? Thats rite..the path of least resistence which lossing 70HP sounds about rite. Rick said what? No need to retune...hmmm. I have long since forgot all about the fact that somewhere between ATS and LowETPerformance I lost around 7 grand. But thanks for ignoring all my emails and trying to make it rite though-Shane

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Wow!! :shock:

[Mike]

Mike could you see why Shane can't log in. Thanks.



Done.

[Shane361]

Thanks Morey and Mike :D

[slow94]

I also went slower with a amazon tune. Even though I knew Rick couldn't tune speed density that well I went there anyway. I walked away with better gas mileage and better idling than I had with the 19lb injectors, but my performance wasn't even on the map. After I got my wideband my a/f's were below 10:1. Now I have a twEECer with a mail order tune and it is amazing. The guy I got it from is a member of NLOC.net and put 4 free tunes on it. I'm not doubting amazons capabilities of tuning mass air, but speed density is not their strongest asset. I know I'm probably the only one here with speed density, but I just thought I would add my experiences.

[Slowleen]

make that 2 ;)

[LXtasy]

Convert to mass air Tim. That will help you out 10 folds

[jay_99z]

I know I'm probably the only one here with speed density, but I just thought I would add my experiences.

I am too but I got one of them Chevy engines. I probably don't count. :D

[slow94]

I know I'm probably the only one here with speed density, but I just thought I would add my experiences.

I am too but I got one of them Chevy engines. I probably don't count. :D


well wuts up fellow speed density brother? I believe you are a little faster than me though. BTW the only thing that mass air has on speed density is the the ability to run a cam with a larger lobe separation aka "choppy"

[05Saleen]

I would go carburated before I had to pull apart all that wiring in the dash to run another computor for mass air. Stripping a 93 stang now and see all the wiring under the dash and behind the heater and A/C box for the computor. Pain in the A$$!!!

[LXtasy]

It is mainly just computer, and the harness for the mass air. Everything else stays the same. Wiring wise.

[05Saleen]

Have you done one????? All the wiring is in one main harness......still have to remove everything to get to it.....I know.

[LXtasy]

Yea, have to remove some interior panels. Remove the computer and route the wire for the MAF sensor from the computer to the MAF. Have to have MASS AIR computer, maf, maf wiring harness. And of course some moving of some pins



Here is the how to site.
Used it before
http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html

This is of course on a mustang.

There is a difference between a 4cylinder and v8 though.

[LXtasy]

You can buy the harness for about $25-30 on ebay

[clubracergt1]

Have you done one????? All the wiring is in one main harness......still have to remove everything to get to it.....I know.

I have done one. All you need to swap over is the PCM and the main engine harness.-basically start under the hood where the engine harness goes through the firewall, and grab everything that is not on the sd car-basically the MAF harness and the sensors. I took a total of three hours to strip the donor car (in a boneyard), drive back to the house, install it in the new car, and start the engine.

This was done after converting a 90 Fox 4cyl to a V8 using a speed density donor car. We had to convert to mass air because of the mods done on the engine while it was out of the car. Not a big deal to add the mass air. Yeah, the V8 swap sucked-but it's all part of the game. If it were easy, everybody would be doing it.

Everything inside the car is the same between a v8 and a 4cyl except for the gauge cluster.

If anyone who is planning on doing this to their speed-density car/truck, I will be more than happy to assist with information. I may not be able to provide you with physical help, but I can be there in spirit.

[clubracergt1]

Not trying to piss in anyone's Cheerios. Just wanted to let people know that it is only as difficult as you make it.

[dkbmxer002]

I know I'm probably the only one here with speed density, but I just thought I would add my experiences.

I am too but I got one of them Chevy engines. I probably don't count. :D


well wuts up fellow speed density brother? I believe you are a little faster than me though. BTW the only thing that mass air has on speed density is the the ability to run a cam with a larger lobe separation aka "choppy"



my car is speed density now as well.

[jay_99z]

Have you done one????? All the wiring is in one main harness......still have to remove everything to get to it.....I know.

I have done one. All you need to swap over is the PCM and the main engine harness.-basically start under the hood where the engine harness goes through the firewall, and grab everything that is not on the sd car-basically the MAF harness and the sensors. I took a total of three hours to strip the donor car (in a boneyard), drive back to the house, install it in the new car, and start the engine.

This was done after converting a 90 Fox 4cyl to a V8 using a speed density donor car. We had to convert to mass air because of the mods done on the engine while it was out of the car. Not a big deal to add the mass air. Yeah, the V8 swap sucked-but it's all part of the game. If it were easy, everybody would be doing it.

Everything inside the car is the same between a v8 and a 4cyl except for the gauge cluster.

If anyone who is planning on doing this to their speed-density car/truck, I will be more than happy to assist with information. I may not be able to provide you with physical help, but I can be there in spirit.

Hmmm


All I had to do was tuning.....and throw away the MAF. It's all in the PCM.


Guess GM got something right.

[LXtasy]

Yea one thing GM did right!
That and snap in body pieces.

But one thing that I do hate is the $185 EGR valve for a damn 4 banger. :roll: $285 from GM

Going to block it off hopefully.

[Slowleen]

I thought ford had a jumper harness for the mass air conversions that was plug and play...and you keep your SD harness. Might be more expensive, but also idiot proof to the point of me being able to do it by myself lol.

The SD cars can be tuned with everything if you can keep a cam that is not to wild on the lobe seperation. There is a thread on the corral about what cams will work and what wont. The SD cars are supposed to be stronger in a near stock form, but I guess they are also more sensative to changes such as vac leaks which will make the idle go nuts.

Im no where near that point of worrying about it, I'd like to just get a nice intake, tb, egr, swap to full length headers, and finish out my suspension. I miss HP, but I also dont have to worry about breaking crap if I dont take it apart lol, so atleast until I get a daily driver, i dont have an real intentions of getting inside the engine

[LXtasy]

I have a stock maf for your grabbings Tim!

[Slowleen]

Thanks jr..but I actually have one already, and an empty 80mm housing from my '01 saleen that it'll bolt into...just have toget a maf adapter :)


I'll do the maf conversion at some point...its just not on the priority list...even though I really want a cam in this car...chop sounds good...even though it still woudlnt be fast lol.

But you know what they say...if you can't be fast, be loud :twisted:

[LXtasy]

Or be low and slow.

[Shane361]

Or be low and slow.

Nope..thats on ANOTHER forum :lol: :lol: :lol:

[doggystyle]

^^^SMAF? :shock: :D

[Shane361]

Was thinkn more of a lowrider forum :roll:

[LXtasy]

Was thinkn more of a lowrider forum :roll:

I am not a member on any of those.

I am loud (stereo...lol) well, at least with the s10 I am.

[05Saleen]

Was thinkn more of a lowrider forum :roll:

I am not a member on any of those.

I am loud (stereo...lol) well, at least with the s10 I am.

You will fiqure it out one day! :wink:

[LXtasy]

Well considering I am not into LOWRIDERS than ok!