The race car

Chillerman · 07-13-2009, 07:41 PM

Haven't posted in a while, been busy working and coaching competitive travel baseball. My two sons and myself pulled the AOD out of the 89 Mustang and put in a built C4 with a stall converter & reverse manual valve body. Don't ask me the stall speed because I don't know. I bought this trans used that has only 6 passes on it. The other guy is getting a powerglide.

What we do know is that I can footbrake it to 3000 and leave. We went to Bowman on Friday night and made 7 passes. 4 on motor & 3 on spray. Car went from 8.90's on motor (aod) to 8.20's (c4). We hit the spray and could not hook at all. Spun the tires badly from the gate and at the 60 ft. No good times on spray since no traction, only ran a 90 shot. We have been a best of 7.27 on a 125 shot with the aod, but also with a dead hook. Drag radials are worn out got about a 100 or so passes on them. Time for new tires, maybe time for slicks, just guessing here. Maybe we can pull off a 7.0 or maybe even a 6.90 on the spray if we can hook-up. I quess we will see.

Need to change the fuel pump next so we can up the nitrous a bit.

BigdaddyDupree · 07-13-2009, 07:43 PM

ridin out pretty good. the rear end holding up good?

LXtasy · 07-13-2009, 07:45 PM

It looked like it was moving pretty damn good on motor alone friday night.

How did your 60 ft times go from aod to c4?

Dave · 07-13-2009, 07:45 PM

Yea, that "race car" looked good friday night!!! I'd like to try me some with my L and you on motor, I think it could be real close!!!

Mike · 07-13-2009, 07:55 PM

I was just mentioning your name last week, saying we haven't heard from you in a while. Good to see you back at the track Will.

Chillerman · 07-13-2009, 07:58 PM

60's time went from 2.05 (aod) to a 1.71 (c4) on motor. It got worse on spray since we couldn't hook.

Dave, we can hook up any time. I don't care win or loose. Just like havin fun on the strip. I can't lie, I do like to win though. If it's close on motor, then we will have to put the love juice to it.

Chillerman · 07-13-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigdaddyDupree

ridin out pretty good. the rear end holding up good?

No problems yet.

Chillerman · 07-13-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I was just mentioning your name last week, saying we haven't heard from you in a while. Good to see you back at the track Will.

It was good to be out and see everyone at the track. We will be tied up for the next 2-3 week-ends for baseball, then we are on break. So some fall racing action will be in order.

Dave · 07-13-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chillerman

Dave, we can hook up any time. I don't care win or loose. Just like havin fun on the strip. I can't lie, I do like to win though. If it's close on motor, then we will have to put the love juice to it.

I'm pretty sure you would win just on motor, unless the temp drops in the 40's, I can't go fast enough to get that low in the 8's. But like you I like to race win or loose, and I'm ok with loosing some times.

chrisheltra · 07-13-2009, 08:18 PM

I like losing, makes me buy more parts.

Pesce Nero · 07-13-2009, 08:26 PM

7 tenths on a trans/vert swap. holy shit!!! thats awesome

gearmesh, inc. · 07-13-2009, 10:07 PM

Chillerman,

What stall did your old AOD have? There isn't much difference between first gear ratios from an AOD to a C4. Of course, a C4 has some lighter internals, and I rate them about the same weight as T-5 internals. AOD internal weight falls between the C4 and C6 rotating assembly weight. Of course we all know about the typical time gains you get from ditching a C6 in favor of a C4.

An AOD can be made to be stronger than a C4, but it will cost some more in the parts arena than building a C4. The cat's ass is the Lentech strip terminator valve body for the AOD. It makes an AOD just as strong as a Turbo 400.

Overdrive is a plus if you plan on running some steep gears and driving your "street car" to the track. On the other hand, the reduced cost of a C4 can save you enough cash to buy a lot of fuel vs. the fuel savings of overdrive capability in the AOD.

If that AOD you have is a virgin unit (not messed with internally), how much would you want for it? I like to get hold of true Mustang cores from '89-'93 whenever I can because the shift points with the Mustang valve bodies + a Transgo shift kit can be had around 6K rpm. Just leave it in drive and steer! Transgo equiped AODs can handle about 550 rwhp, which is a little more than you should be asking out of a production 5.0 block anyway. Any more hp than that and it is time for the Lentech valve body.

Chillerman · 07-13-2009, 10:29 PM

Gerald,

The AOD is a virgin unit as far as I can tell. It's not the original unit though. It had a junkyard date written on the bell in the yellow ink they use when they pull em for you to buy. I bought this car from an individual in Raliegh, NC who, of course is not the original owner. I have no history on this car other than what we are creating.

I was planning on having you build the AOD, but the cost with the good guts was starting to shy me away. I got such a good buy on this C4 & converter, I couln't pass on it. It already has a hardened input, TCI servo, and a 6 pinion planetary, reverse manual valve body, and whatever good stuff goes in them. It leaves money left to be able to go towards the 408.

I'll let you know about selling the AOD, not sure what it's worth, and it still is a working unit. However if I was going to put it back into something, I would have you freshen it up anyways. PM me, and let me know what it's worth.

Darryl Buckner · 07-14-2009, 09:01 AM

That is killed time changes. I think the car liked going from a stock converter to a larger stall. On the gas you may need it tightened up though, I notice in mine when on the gas in high gear its making RPM but not really going anywhere. I still haven't found the happy medium yet. You need enough converter to leave good, but not so much that you blow through it on the gas on the top end of the track, espicially in the 1/4 mile..

Chillerman · 07-15-2009, 07:18 AM

I may wait on getting the converter tightened up until I see how it behaves on a dead hook with the spray and also when it gets behind the 408.

Robert Holton · 07-15-2009, 04:54 PM

just leave the chillerman alone.... hes pointing in the right direction... what does that sticker on ur back window say??

Chillerman · 07-15-2009, 11:18 PM

I'm going to leave the converter alone for now. No point in spending money on it since the 302 is just temporary anyways. My goal is to crack the 6's with the 302 before the 408 goes in. That converter is more suited to the 408 anyways, no point in spending money twice. We will continue to have fun with the car until we can get enough cash together for the 408.

And yes there is a SupermanMotorsports decal on the rear glass. I put it there because David has always done a good job for me.

Robert Holton · 07-16-2009, 10:30 AM

another happy customer... you guys sound like yall are having a ball with that thing...congrats on the new times...

1iron · 07-16-2009, 10:46 AM

How much did you pick up with just the sticker?

oldimp · 09-07-2009, 03:32 PM

Hey, Will! I am just getting around to checking out your videos! I copied some photos to use in the newsletter, too. Catch you later, Smitty.

07-13-2009, 07:41 PM	#1
Chillerman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 1,232	The race car Haven't posted in a while, been busy working and coaching competitive travel baseball. My two sons and myself pulled the AOD out of the 89 Mustang and put in a built C4 with a stall converter & reverse manual valve body. Don't ask me the stall speed because I don't know. I bought this trans used that has only 6 passes on it. The other guy is getting a powerglide. What we do know is that I can footbrake it to 3000 and leave. We went to Bowman on Friday night and made 7 passes. 4 on motor & 3 on spray. Car went from 8.90's on motor (aod) to 8.20's (c4). We hit the spray and could not hook at all. Spun the tires badly from the gate and at the 60 ft. No good times on spray since no traction, only ran a 90 shot. We have been a best of 7.27 on a 125 shot with the aod, but also with a dead hook. Drag radials are worn out got about a 100 or so passes on them. Time for new tires, maybe time for slicks, just guessing here. Maybe we can pull off a 7.0 or maybe even a 6.90 on the spray if we can hook-up. I quess we will see. Need to change the fuel pump next so we can up the nitrous a bit. __________________ 88 Mustang LX mild 302, no laughing gas, and the rest is secret. Best 1/8th 7.843 @ 87.98, best 1/4 12.427 @ 111.20, best 60 1.601 89 Mustang LX wheels up @ Pinks All Out

07-13-2009, 07:43 PM	#2
BigdaddyDupree Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: MACEDONIA Posts: 4,967	ridin out pretty good. the rear end holding up good? __________________ . What you wanna do?

07-13-2009, 07:45 PM	#3
LXtasy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Summerville, SC Posts: 9,564	It looked like it was moving pretty damn good on motor alone friday night. How did your 60 ft times go from aod to c4? __________________

07-13-2009, 07:45 PM	#4
Dave Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 532	Yea, that "race car" looked good friday night!!! I'd like to try me some with my L and you on motor, I think it could be real close!!! __________________ '99 Lightning with a few bolt-ons

07-13-2009, 07:58 PM	#6
Chillerman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 1,232	60's time went from 2.05 (aod) to a 1.71 (c4) on motor. It got worse on spray since we couldn't hook. Dave, we can hook up any time. I don't care win or loose. Just like havin fun on the strip. I can't lie, I do like to win though. If it's close on motor, then we will have to put the love juice to it. __________________ 88 Mustang LX mild 302, no laughing gas, and the rest is secret. Best 1/8th 7.843 @ 87.98, best 1/4 12.427 @ 111.20, best 60 1.601 89 Mustang LX wheels up @ Pinks All Out

07-13-2009, 07:55 PM	#5
Mike Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Goose Creek, SC Posts: 5,481	I was just mentioning your name last week, saying we haven't heard from you in a while. Good to see you back at the track Will.

07-13-2009, 08:18 PM	#10
chrisheltra Neo is Jesus Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,265	I like losing, makes me buy more parts. __________________ Gap A Hoe Racing

07-13-2009, 08:26 PM	#11
Pesce Nero Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,680	7 tenths on a trans/vert swap. holy shit!!! thats awesome __________________

07-13-2009, 10:07 PM	#12
gearmesh, inc. creepy azz cracka Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 1,587	Chillerman, What stall did your old AOD have? There isn't much difference between first gear ratios from an AOD to a C4. Of course, a C4 has some lighter internals, and I rate them about the same weight as T-5 internals. AOD internal weight falls between the C4 and C6 rotating assembly weight. Of course we all know about the typical time gains you get from ditching a C6 in favor of a C4. An AOD can be made to be stronger than a C4, but it will cost some more in the parts arena than building a C4. The cat's ass is the Lentech strip terminator valve body for the AOD. It makes an AOD just as strong as a Turbo 400. Overdrive is a plus if you plan on running some steep gears and driving your "street car" to the track. On the other hand, the reduced cost of a C4 can save you enough cash to buy a lot of fuel vs. the fuel savings of overdrive capability in the AOD. If that AOD you have is a virgin unit (not messed with internally), how much would you want for it? I like to get hold of true Mustang cores from '89-'93 whenever I can because the shift points with the Mustang valve bodies + a Transgo shift kit can be had around 6K rpm. Just leave it in drive and steer! Transgo equiped AODs can handle about 550 rwhp, which is a little more than you should be asking out of a production 5.0 block anyway. Any more hp than that and it is time for the Lentech valve body. Last edited by gearmesh, inc.; 07-13-2009 at 10:16 PM.

07-13-2009, 10:29 PM	#13
Chillerman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 1,232	Gerald, The AOD is a virgin unit as far as I can tell. It's not the original unit though. It had a junkyard date written on the bell in the yellow ink they use when they pull em for you to buy. I bought this car from an individual in Raliegh, NC who, of course is not the original owner. I have no history on this car other than what we are creating. I was planning on having you build the AOD, but the cost with the good guts was starting to shy me away. I got such a good buy on this C4 & converter, I couln't pass on it. It already has a hardened input, TCI servo, and a 6 pinion planetary, reverse manual valve body, and whatever good stuff goes in them. It leaves money left to be able to go towards the 408. I'll let you know about selling the AOD, not sure what it's worth, and it still is a working unit. However if I was going to put it back into something, I would have you freshen it up anyways. PM me, and let me know what it's worth. __________________ 88 Mustang LX mild 302, no laughing gas, and the rest is secret. Best 1/8th 7.843 @ 87.98, best 1/4 12.427 @ 111.20, best 60 1.601 89 Mustang LX wheels up @ Pinks All Out

07-14-2009, 09:01 AM	#14
Darryl Buckner The Top Dog Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,318	That is killed time changes. I think the car liked going from a stock converter to a larger stall. On the gas you may need it tightened up though, I notice in mine when on the gas in high gear its making RPM but not really going anywhere. I still haven't found the happy medium yet. You need enough converter to leave good, but not so much that you blow through it on the gas on the top end of the track, espicially in the 1/4 mile.. __________________ When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

07-15-2009, 07:18 AM	#15
Chillerman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 1,232	I may wait on getting the converter tightened up until I see how it behaves on a dead hook with the spray and also when it gets behind the 408. __________________ 88 Mustang LX mild 302, no laughing gas, and the rest is secret. Best 1/8th 7.843 @ 87.98, best 1/4 12.427 @ 111.20, best 60 1.601 89 Mustang LX wheels up @ Pinks All Out

07-15-2009, 04:54 PM	#16
Robert Holton Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 978	just leave the chillerman alone.... hes pointing in the right direction... what does that sticker on ur back window say??

07-15-2009, 11:18 PM	#17
Chillerman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 1,232	I'm going to leave the converter alone for now. No point in spending money on it since the 302 is just temporary anyways. My goal is to crack the 6's with the 302 before the 408 goes in. That converter is more suited to the 408 anyways, no point in spending money twice. We will continue to have fun with the car until we can get enough cash together for the 408. And yes there is a SupermanMotorsports decal on the rear glass. I put it there because David has always done a good job for me. __________________ 88 Mustang LX mild 302, no laughing gas, and the rest is secret. Best 1/8th 7.843 @ 87.98, best 1/4 12.427 @ 111.20, best 60 1.601 89 Mustang LX wheels up @ Pinks All Out

07-16-2009, 10:30 AM	#18
Robert Holton Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 978	another happy customer... you guys sound like yall are having a ball with that thing...congrats on the new times...

07-16-2009, 10:46 AM	#19
1iron Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,014	How much did you pick up with just the sticker?

09-07-2009, 03:32 PM	#20
oldimp Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ladson, SC Posts: 7	Hey, Will! I am just getting around to checking out your videos! I copied some photos to use in the newsletter, too. Catch you later, Smitty. __________________ '05 Mustang GT '07 Shelby GT500