Tuning / Datalogging help

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 07:03 PM

With my soon to add mods, I will be in need of some datalogging / HPTuners operation from someone. I know it will cost money for credits, and I'm more than willing to pay someone for that, but I just can't justify driving 250 miles one way for a $350 tune, or paying JP $450 for a tune.

Can anyone help me with datalogging, and uploading an updated tune via email?

Beer/food/cash is all I have to offer, lol.

Thanks guys in advance.

Carlrx7 · 10-25-2011, 07:32 PM

what mods are you doing? honestly, you can't go wrong with going with electech's tune. and if you have any issues, he is local...

if you break it down,

100 goes towards credits
150 towards dyno time.
so he is only making 100 bucks, unless he ownes the dyno.

i can give you tips on how to start you out on tuning, but you would need a wb, (260+shipping).

do you own hptuners?

-Carl

WWhittle · 10-25-2011, 08:01 PM

Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say!

It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part!

Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

minytrker · 10-25-2011, 08:02 PM

Your best bet is to pay Jamie or JP for a tune and be done but that has already been recommended to you by almost everyone on here when you had problems the first time. After every recommending them and then you say its not worth it I doubt either one really want to mess with it.

cmd · 10-25-2011, 08:08 PM

Jamie and Jp are both very well versed in LS tuning. It's what they do for a living. Spend the money.

1998ta__1991rs · 10-25-2011, 08:10 PM

you should call jp, this is probably going to end up like last time

Derek · 10-25-2011, 08:14 PM

You know if you don't want go all full blown tune. And you like to do it your self still call Jeff he is a dealer for Diablo and has good pricing I have recommended a couple people that way and they have been quite happy with them. You are not gonna get the in depth tables of an expensive software but it will work for minor mods and if you ever change your mind. They have the ability to do an in depth tune and create files that you can upload with your handheld unit. One of their mopar guys is doing this and that motha is fast.

BAD BOB · 10-25-2011, 08:24 PM

although it is nice to do stuff yourself, i have seen first hand how difficult it is to grasp everthing that can and needs to be done to a tune to get the most out of it. JP has done cars for me at work and got me going on my personal stuff. He knows what he is doing and stands behind his work. As said before, dont skimp on the most important mod you do. all the other stuff dont mean shit if the tune aint right. take the extra you would spend on the beer and food for someone to help you and pay someone that will do it right and stand behind what they do!

Just my .02 cents

minytrker · 10-25-2011, 08:26 PM

I know JP doesnt charge $450 either, may want to check your pricing. There was a price increased recently with efi but he is still under that.

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 08:31 PM

So I guess I need to break down real quick like. I already have a lot invested with my tune as of now, from someone who has treated me quite well from the get go, even without ever meeting him. I am not dead set against dealing with someone local, but I want to weigh all my options at this point and decide what's right.

I am AWD and cannot do "dyno time" around here without dealing with ShowZone, which I seriously do not want to do. So a road tune is all I can really get at this point. I will not pay JP $450 for an hour's worth of "seat time" in my truck. I'm quite confident that he has all the knowledge he needs and would do a fine job, but that's a little steep. Plus another $100 for a "tweak......." Nope.

Jamie, I have spoken with him a few times and feel totally confident in his abilities as well. But once again, dyno time can't happen. Still, $350 is not bad at all, but I'm hesitant to just jump on the opportunity at this stage in the game, which is why I'm trying to explore all my options. Call me stubborn or stupid or whatever you like for even posting this thread, but I really didn't ask you for your opinions at this point.....on with the story......

Alvin has tuned my truck and it has been great. I can drive to Mooresville and have him road tune the truck, but gas throws the costs all off. This was my plan all along. Vacation and tune time at one time........but it weighs on me because of the time off from work and the 12 MPG 500 mile trip.

Then I have the option of Alvin tuning the truck via email, for next to nothing. All I would need to do is buy HPTuners (large investment for one vehicle for someone with ZERO knowledge) and off I go right? Not so fast, there's one more option.

There's lots of smart guys on here that own HPTuners, and seem to be quite friendly in offering up advice, and bon fires, and swapping motors and what not, why not try and ask them if I could buy some credits and beer and have the best of both worlds?

And I get "flamed" in the CHP way for asking the question. I'm not stupid, I like to "talk" things out like this before I make a decision, so flame on. If I've learned anything from this place, its that car guys look out for car guys, and try and help them do the right thing the first time. That's what I was hoping for.

I also learned from this place to say what you feel. I'm doing that right now. Thanks for any help offered, hell, thanks for what was already posted, you got all of this out of me and thats what it needed.

Carry on.......and thanks again.

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WWhittle

Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say!

It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part!

Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

It's not about the money. I have the money. It's about spending it wisely, something I cant seem to do. Which was the point of the thread.

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlrx7

what mods are you doing? honestly, you can't go wrong with going with electech's tune. and if you have any issues, he is local...

if you break it down,

100 goes towards credits
150 towards dyno time.
so he is only making 100 bucks, unless he ownes the dyno.

i can give you tips on how to start you out on tuning, but you would need a wb, (260+shipping).

do you own hptuners?

-Carl

Can't do dyno. Wideband was installed today. No HPTUNERS. Nitrous outlet plate kit goes in this weekend or next, depending on work this weekend.

Quote:

Originally Posted by minytrker

Your best bet is to pay Jamie or JP for a tune and be done but that has already been recommended to you by almost everyone on here when you had problems the first time. After every recommending them and then you say its not worth it I doubt either one really want to mess with it.

Never had problems with a tune. I didn't say it wasn't worth it. I said that I dont' want to spend $450 (yes this was what he told me) for a road tune.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1998ta__1991rs

you should call jp, this is probably going to end up like last time

Last time? You mean last time I asked for help and got these same responses? You guys pushed me away and made me to the point where I couldn't even convey what I wanted to say. This time, I'm not going out like that.

98nbmz · 10-25-2011, 08:42 PM

Jp told me 375. I paid more from Jamie at hhp due to dyno.

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 08:59 PM

If Jamie had AWD dyno, the truck would have been there months ago.

cmd · 10-25-2011, 09:03 PM

I have a serious question. Why does the truck have to touch a dyno? My tbss was tuned by him and ran pretty damn strong and has good road manners to boot.. When the trans is finished and the stall reflashed it'll be going back.

PapaBear · 10-25-2011, 09:09 PM

It doesn't. But to drop $350 on a road tune when I could do it for way less? Why do that right now? When things get going more and I open the motor up, it will be with Jamie. That decision has been made already...until then, I need to try my damnedest to save all the money I can. Hence the reason for this thread.

Carlrx7 · 10-25-2011, 09:21 PM

most tuners, after the initial tune fee, only charge around 100 bucks to retune it plus the cost of dyno time if you want a print out.

minytrker tuned mine twice, but i only paid once.

also was tuned by mike from orangburg, unlimited retunes just had to pay for dyno time..

if your serious about wanting to tune it yourself, pick up hptuners pro and ill show you everything you need to know on how to tune it yourself..

but first goto hptuner forum, register and start reading every thread in the gen IV section and then in the trans.. thats how i learned...

BAD BOB · 10-25-2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PapaBear

It doesn't. But to drop $350 on a road tune when I could do it for way less? Why do that right now? When things get going more and I open the motor up, it will be with Jamie. That decision has been made already...until then, I need to try my damnedest to save all the money I can. Hence the reason for this thread.

well looks like you cant do it and why try and mess something up by overlooking something just to save a dollar. i think now you maybe should invest in the hp tuners and just tune it yourself and see how it works out! No trying to bash you, just trying to get the point across that you HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY!

DolSVT00 · 10-25-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmd

I have a serious question. Why does the truck have to touch a dyno? My tbss was tuned by him and ran pretty damn strong and has good road manners to boot.. When the trans is finished and the stall reflashed it'll be going back.

+1

And at the same time I also agree with Wes.

But for most mild bolt on setups honestly a dyno tune is a waste of money and I don't know why people pay what they do for it to be done. You can also get screwed on a dyno tune as I have seen more times than not, so its also just as risky. The only way I'd pay for a dyno tune is if I had one of the most reputable tuners for my specific setup in my back yard or had the deneiro to pay for some of the most reputable tuners to tune my junk..... This I know Wes has done in order to get his turbo car to work and it was money well spent.

With that said, I have personally heard good things about Jamie and JP both so I dont think you could go wrong with ither.

But I'll leave you with this last bit, I personally tune my and several other Ford vehicles with SCT software, and I have never once had the luxury of a dyno and some of the setups I've tuned include bigger cams, converters, Injectors, Maf's, Blowers, displacement changes, different fuel pumps (that are PCM controlled), I've always started by calibrating the Fuel trim's sitting in my driveway and done the WOT and driveability tuning on the street, and the race tuning at the track. I do Ford only, so I'm not much help to you other than what I've stated.

BAD BOB · 10-25-2011, 09:25 PM

its like last time, you couldnt figure out the issue with the truck so you had to pay someone else try and figure it out. sometimes if you cant do it you just have to pay someone that can

10-25-2011, 07:03 PM	#1
PapaBear Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,809	Tuning / Datalogging help With my soon to add mods, I will be in need of some datalogging / HPTuners operation from someone. I know it will cost money for credits, and I'm more than willing to pay someone for that, but I just can't justify driving 250 miles one way for a $350 tune, or paying JP $450 for a tune. Can anyone help me with datalogging, and uploading an updated tune via email? Beer/food/cash is all I have to offer, lol. Thanks guys in advance.

10-25-2011, 07:32 PM	#2
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	what mods are you doing? honestly, you can't go wrong with going with electech's tune. and if you have any issues, he is local... if you break it down, 100 goes towards credits 150 towards dyno time. so he is only making 100 bucks, unless he ownes the dyno. i can give you tips on how to start you out on tuning, but you would need a wb, (260+shipping). do you own hptuners? -Carl __________________ Dark Aladdin

10-25-2011, 08:02 PM	#4
minytrker Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,089	Your best bet is to pay Jamie or JP for a tune and be done but that has already been recommended to you by almost everyone on here when you had problems the first time. After every recommending them and then you say its not worth it I doubt either one really want to mess with it. __________________ 1999 Z28 Camaro\|Cut up 2003 CC Duramax Dually\|19.5 w/245/70/19.5\|5in exhaust 2009 G8 GT 408hp/402tq sae\|Rotofab CAI\|LS9 Cam\|Headers\|GXP Mufflers\|Custom System 2009 Tahoe stock

10-25-2011, 08:08 PM	#5
cmd Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 996	Jamie and Jp are both very well versed in LS tuning. It's what they do for a living. Spend the money. __________________ along for the ride

10-25-2011, 08:10 PM	#6
1998ta__1991rs Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: West Ash Posts: 4,283	you should call jp, this is probably going to end up like last time __________________ Funny

10-25-2011, 08:01 PM	#3
WWhittle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mt. Pleasant, SC Posts: 3,899	Warning: You probably aren't going to like what i am about to say! It always kills me that people are willing to spend money on modifications, or building a car, but want to cheap out when it comes to the most important part! Save a couple bucks and get a proper tune! It will make a bigger difference than any mod you can do.

10-25-2011, 08:14 PM	#7
Derek Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: West of the mutha f**cking Ashley Posts: 1,784	You know if you don't want go all full blown tune. And you like to do it your self still call Jeff he is a dealer for Diablo and has good pricing I have recommended a couple people that way and they have been quite happy with them. You are not gonna get the in depth tables of an expensive software but it will work for minor mods and if you ever change your mind. They have the ability to do an in depth tune and create files that you can upload with your handheld unit. One of their mopar guys is doing this and that motha is fast.

10-25-2011, 08:24 PM	#8
BAD BOB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SUMMERVILLE Posts: 3,681	although it is nice to do stuff yourself, i have seen first hand how difficult it is to grasp everthing that can and needs to be done to a tune to get the most out of it. JP has done cars for me at work and got me going on my personal stuff. He knows what he is doing and stands behind his work. As said before, dont skimp on the most important mod you do. all the other stuff dont mean shit if the tune aint right. take the extra you would spend on the beer and food for someone to help you and pay someone that will do it right and stand behind what they do! Just my .02 cents __________________ IM BAD BOB

10-25-2011, 08:26 PM	#9
minytrker Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,089	I know JP doesnt charge $450 either, may want to check your pricing. There was a price increased recently with efi but he is still under that. __________________ 1999 Z28 Camaro\|Cut up 2003 CC Duramax Dually\|19.5 w/245/70/19.5\|5in exhaust 2009 G8 GT 408hp/402tq sae\|Rotofab CAI\|LS9 Cam\|Headers\|GXP Mufflers\|Custom System 2009 Tahoe stock

10-25-2011, 08:31 PM	#10
PapaBear Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,809	So I guess I need to break down real quick like. I already have a lot invested with my tune as of now, from someone who has treated me quite well from the get go, even without ever meeting him. I am not dead set against dealing with someone local, but I want to weigh all my options at this point and decide what's right. I am AWD and cannot do "dyno time" around here without dealing with ShowZone, which I seriously do not want to do. So a road tune is all I can really get at this point. I will not pay JP $450 for an hour's worth of "seat time" in my truck. I'm quite confident that he has all the knowledge he needs and would do a fine job, but that's a little steep. Plus another $100 for a "tweak......." Nope. Jamie, I have spoken with him a few times and feel totally confident in his abilities as well. But once again, dyno time can't happen. Still, $350 is not bad at all, but I'm hesitant to just jump on the opportunity at this stage in the game, which is why I'm trying to explore all my options. Call me stubborn or stupid or whatever you like for even posting this thread, but I really didn't ask you for your opinions at this point.....on with the story...... Alvin has tuned my truck and it has been great. I can drive to Mooresville and have him road tune the truck, but gas throws the costs all off. This was my plan all along. Vacation and tune time at one time........but it weighs on me because of the time off from work and the 12 MPG 500 mile trip. Then I have the option of Alvin tuning the truck via email, for next to nothing. All I would need to do is buy HPTuners (large investment for one vehicle for someone with ZERO knowledge) and off I go right? Not so fast, there's one more option. There's lots of smart guys on here that own HPTuners, and seem to be quite friendly in offering up advice, and bon fires, and swapping motors and what not, why not try and ask them if I could buy some credits and beer and have the best of both worlds? And I get "flamed" in the CHP way for asking the question. I'm not stupid, I like to "talk" things out like this before I make a decision, so flame on. If I've learned anything from this place, its that car guys look out for car guys, and try and help them do the right thing the first time. That's what I was hoping for. I also learned from this place to say what you feel. I'm doing that right now. Thanks for any help offered, hell, thanks for what was already posted, you got all of this out of me and thats what it needed. Carry on.......and thanks again.

10-25-2011, 08:42 PM	#13
98nbmz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Ridgeville Posts: 1,167	Jp told me 375. I paid more from Jamie at hhp due to dyno.

10-25-2011, 08:59 PM	#14
PapaBear Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,809	If Jamie had AWD dyno, the truck would have been there months ago.

10-25-2011, 09:03 PM	#15
cmd Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 996	I have a serious question. Why does the truck have to touch a dyno? My tbss was tuned by him and ran pretty damn strong and has good road manners to boot.. When the trans is finished and the stall reflashed it'll be going back. __________________ along for the ride

10-25-2011, 09:09 PM	#16
PapaBear Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,809	It doesn't. But to drop $350 on a road tune when I could do it for way less? Why do that right now? When things get going more and I open the motor up, it will be with Jamie. That decision has been made already...until then, I need to try my damnedest to save all the money I can. Hence the reason for this thread.

10-25-2011, 09:21 PM	#17
Carlrx7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ladson,SC Posts: 3,813	most tuners, after the initial tune fee, only charge around 100 bucks to retune it plus the cost of dyno time if you want a print out. minytrker tuned mine twice, but i only paid once. also was tuned by mike from orangburg, unlimited retunes just had to pay for dyno time.. if your serious about wanting to tune it yourself, pick up hptuners pro and ill show you everything you need to know on how to tune it yourself.. but first goto hptuner forum, register and start reading every thread in the gen IV section and then in the trans.. thats how i learned... __________________ Dark Aladdin

10-25-2011, 09:25 PM	#20
BAD BOB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SUMMERVILLE Posts: 3,681	its like last time, you couldnt figure out the issue with the truck so you had to pay someone else try and figure it out. sometimes if you cant do it you just have to pay someone that can __________________ IM BAD BOB