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[MonteC]

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc.

Sweet! How far out was the target?

3 feet.

[04ctd]

Originally Posted by minytrker

I would never carry a taurus, no way I would want my life to depend on that cheap of quality of gun.

that's what I am saying, the taurus' USED to be low quality, but not anymore.
they are pretty much rated top notch now, read current magazine articles on them.

as word of their reliability & upgrades spread, their prices will creep up.

you gotta realize everyone was on the "i love glock" train before, but most folks are getting off, after the novelty has worn off.

buy what is best in your price range, and get comfy with it.
get it tuned & tweaked if needed (Dale at East Coast seems to have a handle on 1911's)

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc.

Sweet! How far out was the target?

the gut shot are at 25yds, for familiarization with the guns
that flyer was second round out

head shots were at 50yds, with a little better breathing control.

[04ctd]

Originally Posted by MonteC

3 feet.

i KEEL you!

[gearmesh, inc.]

Originally Posted by 04ctd

head shots were at 50yds

Dat's a baaaad man!

I bet you meant to say 5 yards or 15 yards?


At today's IDPA match, we had a neat course of fire that was shot while using a walker! On the buzzer, we had to keep our weak hand on the walker, draw and shoot strong hand only to engage two perp targets about 12 feet away. Two body shots on each target had to be done first before a follow up head shot to each one got performed. Six shots total were required. I got lucky enough to smoke the two perps with the 6 shots from the holster in 3.11 seconds! All hits were in the no penalty zones of the targets. Hoorah!

That ought to teach those young whippersnappers not to mess with an old man with a walker! I just hope I'm that fast when I am at the age when I really do need a walker!

Did I ever mention that I love a 1911? I can't quite shoot a plastic gun that good! Dem .45 holes are a lot nicer to look at than those littler 9mm holes!

[04ctd]

wife saw a 3 gun match on TV while I was feeling fat & lazy after turkey day, and channel surfing.

she is all excited about that now!

does Trader world have their sked online? would like to come watch!

[minytrker]

Originally Posted by 04ctd

that's what I am saying, the taurus' USED to be low quality, but not anymore.
they are pretty much rated top notch now, read current magazine articles on them.

as word of their reliability & upgrades spread, their prices will creep up.

you gotta realize everyone was on the "i love glock" train before, but most folks are getting off, after the novelty has worn off.

buy what is best in your price range, and get comfy with it.
get it tuned & tweaked if needed (Dale at East Coast seems to have a handle on 1911's)




the gut shot are at 25yds, for familiarization with the guns
that flyer was second round out

head shots were at 50yds, with a little better breathing control.

I dont care what a magazine says about any gun. I only base my experience from first hand or I'll take a few close friends word who are big into guns if they have first hand experience. I gun shop all the time and actually held a taurus on Friday, it was not even close to top quality anything. It was a .380 they had in the same cabinet as a Sig 238, night and day difference. If there are quality taurus pistols I have not seen then them. I have never had ANY gun store recommend them either for that matter.

[gearmesh, inc.]

Originally Posted by 04ctd

wife saw a 3 gun match on TV while I was feeling fat & lazy after turkey day, and channel surfing.

she is all excited about that now!

does Trader world have their sked online? would like to come watch!

They don't have any info online that I know of for the bi-weekly Wed nite action shoots at Trader World.

There is a pistol action shoot event at Trader World every 2nd and 4th Wed nite starting at 7pm until about 9-9:30. Get there by 6:30 to have time to register. Or, you are welcome to just watch to see if it would be something you would be interested in. It just costs $10 for 3 courses of fire, sometimes we get 4 courses in. Bring your own holster, gun, ammo, eyes, and ears. Round count is usually between 40 to 75 rounds. It all depends on how many shooters show up and the complexity of the courses of fire for the night as to how many rounds get shot.

Shooting while moving and utilizing cover are routinely practiced. Sometimes, the lights will be cut out and you will be shooting utilizing a flashlight. I assure you, after shooting one of these action shoots, you wont want to waste ammo ever again shooing from a single booth lane during normal range hours.

There are outdoor matches available to shoot on the 1st through 4th Saturdays of every month either locally here at Palmetto Gun Club, or at Mid Carolina Rifle Club just south of Columbia. These outdoor matches cost $15 for the match fee and you will get to shoot 5 different courses of fire. You don't have to be a member of either club to shoot these Saturday matches.

[bwelch]

Originally Posted by minytrker

I dont care what a magazine says about any gun. I only base my experience from first hand or I'll take a few close friends word who are big into guns if they have first hand experience. I gun shop all the time and actually held a taurus on Friday, it was not even close to top quality anything. It was a .380 they had in the same cabinet as a Sig 238, night and day difference. If there are quality taurus pistols I have not seen then them. I have never had ANY gun store recommend them either for that matter.

I have owned three Taurus guns now. I had a used pt111 for my first gun seven years ago and I never once had a jam after tons of rounds. My current taurus is a 24/7 40 cal and I have yet to have it miss fire. The trigger pull isnt the greatest.

[Silver-Dollar]

We stop by Bass Pro Shop outside Birmingham of Friday. We looked at a few but didn't get a chance to hold any. She has her heart set on a .38 non-revolver type. Now it is time to schedule rental time. Just need to get a sitter for a few hours to do it.

[snakeplissken]

Went to the gun show today and looked for a Sig 232 but all I saw were 238s. I met a guy from Southeast Shooter Supplies based in Summerville that I will probably do some business with. His website is www.southeastshootersupplies.com

[CoppertopT/A]

i need to head down there p238 are hard to come by up here.

[minytrker]

I am real lucky, happen to have one of the biggest gun stores in Texas 20 mins from me. They stock over 3,000 guns and beat every other gun stores prices. They have a whole displace case of P238's and have every model in stock. I think they are $549. I paid $549 for my all stainless P232 the other day. Also everyone is paid salary or hourly no commission so you dont have someone trying to sell you the gun with the biggest commission like a lot of places.

[WWhittle]

Originally Posted by minytrker

I am real lucky, happen to have one of the biggest gun stores in Texas 20 mins from me. They stock over 3,000 guns and beat every other gun stores prices. They have a whole displace case of P238's and have every model in stock. I think they are $549. I paid $549 for my all stainless P232 the other day. Also everyone is paid salary or hourly no commission so you dont have someone trying to sell you the gun with the biggest commission like a lot of places.

$549 is a good price for the 232

[bambooi]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

$549 is a good price for the 232

Buds gun shop quoted me 620 for a SS w/ nite sites.

[gearmesh, inc.]

Originally Posted by CoppertopT/A

i need to head down there p238 are hard to come by up here.

I tried the P238 a while back, but I couldn't get it to run reliably enough for me. About 4 to 5 rounds out of 100 had issues.

I had always been leery about reliability when it comes to these little pocket semi-autos, but I figured if Sig was offering one, they probably had the bugs worked out of it. That ended up just being wishful thinking. After actually owning one for about 500 rounds worth of shooting and trying different things to get it to run reliably, I traded it in on a Glock G26 that I know for a fact will run when you absolutely need it. Everything I did to the little P238 to get one issue fixed just created an issue with another function of the feeding cycle.

After having my hands on a little pocket pistol to study firsthand why they tend to be rather finicky, I can't say I can really trust any of them. There is hardly any mass to the slides of these little guns so action timing is primarily dependent on spring tensions. Of course, we all know that springs age and relax over time, so there will always be the question of if it will really run when you need it to. Larger guns with more mass to their slides are a whole lot more tolerant to varying spring conditions.

In my opinion, if you want a super reliable lightweight pocket pistol, stick with the ultralight 5 shot revolvers. When loaded they come in around 18 ounces and they will go bang everytime. The only fat part of their width is across the cylinder, while the rest of the frame is pretty slim. Having one in the pocket just looks like a set of keys for the most part.

On the subject of the P232, it is a reliable platform worthy of the Sig name. It is big enough to have enough mass to its slide to make it inherently reliable. The sad thing is, it is just as big as some of the smaller 9mm guns out there, so why not step up to a 9mm if you are not recoil sensitive?

[bambooi]

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc.

I tried the P238 a while back, but I couldn't get it to run reliably enough for me. About 4 to 5 rounds out of 100 had issues.

I had always been leery about reliability when it comes to these little pocket semi-autos, but I figured if Sig was offering one, they probably had the bugs worked out of it. That ended up just being wishful thinking. After actually owning one for about 500 rounds worth of shooting and trying different things to get it to run reliably, I traded it in on a Glock G26 that I know for a fact will run when you absolutely need it. Everything I did to the little P238 to get one issue fixed just created an issue with another function of the feeding cycle.

After having my hands on a little pocket pistol to study firsthand why they tend to be rather finicky, I can't say I can really trust any of them. There is hardly any mass to the slides of these little guns so action timing is primarily dependent on spring tensions. Of course, we all know that springs age and relax over time, so there will always be the question of if it will really run when you need it to. Larger guns with more mass to their slides are a whole lot more tolerant to varying spring conditions.

In my opinion, if you want a super reliable lightweight pocket pistol, stick with the ultralight 5 shot revolvers. When loaded they come in around 18 ounces and they will go bang everytime. The only fat part of their width is across the cylinder, while the rest of the frame is pretty slim. Having one in the pocket just looks like a set of keys for the most part.

On the subject of the P232, it is a reliable platform worthy of the Sig name. It is big enough to have enough mass to its slide to make it inherently reliable. The sad thing is, it is just as big as some of the smaller 9mm guns out there, so why not step up to a 9mm if you are not recoil sensitive?

I have a 26, but I'd like to get a 232 also after all the good reviews in this thread.

[WWhittle]

Originally Posted by gearmesh, inc.

I tried the P238 a while back, but I couldn't get it to run reliably enough for me. About 4 to 5 rounds out of 100 had issues.

I had always been leery about reliability when it comes to these little pocket semi-autos, but I figured if Sig was offering one, they probably had the bugs worked out of it. That ended up just being wishful thinking. After actually owning one for about 500 rounds worth of shooting and trying different things to get it to run reliably, I traded it in on a Glock G26 that I know for a fact will run when you absolutely need it. Everything I did to the little P238 to get one issue fixed just created an issue with another function of the feeding cycle.

After having my hands on a little pocket pistol to study firsthand why they tend to be rather finicky, I can't say I can really trust any of them. There is hardly any mass to the slides of these little guns so action timing is primarily dependent on spring tensions. Of course, we all know that springs age and relax over time, so there will always be the question of if it will really run when you need it to. Larger guns with more mass to their slides are a whole lot more tolerant to varying spring conditions.

In my opinion, if you want a super reliable lightweight pocket pistol, stick with the ultralight 5 shot revolvers. When loaded they come in around 18 ounces and they will go bang everytime. The only fat part of their width is across the cylinder, while the rest of the frame is pretty slim. Having one in the pocket just looks like a set of keys for the most part.

On the subject of the P232, it is a reliable platform worthy of the Sig name. It is big enough to have enough mass to its slide to make it inherently reliable. The sad thing is, it is just as big as some of the smaller 9mm guns out there, so why not step up to a 9mm if you are not recoil sensitive?

I have to admit that my 232 is sensitive to what rounds you try to put through it. It doesn't agree with cheap ammo but any ammo that I would trust my life on, it feeds well.

On the subject of it's size, I somewhat agree but it's still smaller and thinner than most other "compacts" in it's category. With that said, I replaced it with an M&P40C for concealed carry. I came to the conclusion that if I am going to carry a handgun for personal protection, the personal protection part comes first and the concealed part comes second. So, my M&P might be a little bigger, but it goes bang a little harder.
My wife loves the 232 and shoots it very well. I just bought a new Hogue grip for it to make it a little more comfortable for her.

[Silver-Dollar]

Man, there are a lot of manufactures and data out there.

I have been thinking about this more. Since my first priority is home protection, I am thinking along the lines of a .357, .40, 10mm or .44/.45 calibers and full size with a minimum of 9 round capacity.

The conceal part I will look at later.

[minytrker]

Originally Posted by WWhittle

I have to admit that my 232 is sensitive to what rounds you try to put through it. It doesn't agree with cheap ammo but any ammo that I would trust my life on, it feeds well.

On the subject of it's size, I somewhat agree but it's still smaller and thinner than most other "compacts" in it's category. With that said, I replaced it with an M&P40C for concealed carry. I came to the conclusion that if I am going to carry a handgun for personal protection, the personal protection part comes first and the concealed part comes second. So, my M&P might be a little bigger, but it goes bang a little harder.
My wife loves the 232 and shoots it very well. I just bought a new Hogue grip for it to make it a little more comfortable for her.

Just got back from shooting a couple hundred rounds, shot my 232 some more along with Sig 229 .357, glock .357 subcompact and the sig 238. I have yet to have a problem with my 232, fired 5 or 6 different brands of ammo, cheapest I could find and one box of high dollar rounds. I couldnt believe how well the sig 238 shot for such a small gun. It shot about like a 22 IMO. I am a fan of .357's and .45's but these little pistols are starting to grow on me. They are so much easier to carry and conceal. My wife also likes shooting them and wants a sig 238, mainly for the way it looks but hey if thats what it takes for her to get into shooting Im fine with that, lol.

[minytrker]

Originally Posted by Silver-Dollar

Man, there are a lot of manufactures and data out there.

I have been thinking about this more. Since my first priority is home protection, I am thinking along the lines of a .357, .40, 10mm or .44/.45 calibers and full size with a minimum of 9 round capacity.

The conceal part I will look at later.

If home protection is your #1 priority I would look into a shotgun, especially if your not really familiar with hand guns. In an emergency situation you just have to point and shoot. If you do buy a pistol it takes alot of practice and continuous shooting to stay proficient.