NEW Top Dog List discussion

Mike · 11-08-2009, 01:23 AM

I want to start a new top dog list. Obviously the old one isn't working at all. Hasn't been an actual TDL race for a while.

I have some ideas, but I want to hear what you guys have to say also.

#1 you guys (wade & morey) were right, and I was wrong. I need to keep the race cars off the list. But how do I do that?

Maybe something like proof of tags & insurance is all we need. I mean nobody is stupid enough to tag & insure their race car just to be on the TDL.

#2 Incentive. We need an incentive to make it more active.

-My idea is charge a small admission fee to be on the list. At the end of the season the person who "wins the most races" wins the pot. This gives everyone a chance to win. The top dog wins by staying the fastest, the people below him win by getting faster and trying to make their way up the list.

#3 The initial list.

Give me some ideas
How do you guys suggest setting up the initial list?

Maybe some of these big time grudge racers like ; Zak, Bad Bob, Randy, Brandon, Tyler, Jeff, Mike, Dkbmxer, etc.....will join the list if there is some sort of incentive....but also I want it to be for just fun, no grudge racing, no stipulations, just good ole fashion heads up racing.

bwelch · 11-08-2009, 05:51 AM

How small of an admission fee are you thinking? I dont think it will work so well that way. There could be almost a 2 second difference between the slowest and the fastest. It will be hard to get a 7.80 car to join the list when the top dog is 6.10. How about form a list and set a bet(something friendly like $50 or a $100) to call out the guy ahead of you. If he turns down the race he loses his spot. You have up to 2 weeks to do the race or you lose your spot.

05Saleen · 11-08-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I want to start a new top dog list. Obviously the old one isn't working at all. Hasn't been an actual TDL race for a while.

I have some ideas, but I want to hear what you guys have to say also.

#1 you guys (wade & morey) were right, and I was wrong. I need to keep the race cars off the list. But how do I do that?

Maybe something like proof of tags & insurance is all we need. I mean nobody is stupid enough to tag & insure their race car just to be on the TDL.

#2 Incentive. We need an incentive to make it more active.

-My idea is charge a small admission fee to be on the list. At the end of the season the person who "wins the most races" wins the pot. This gives everyone a chance to win. The top dog wins by staying the fastest, the people below him win by getting faster and trying to make their way up the list.

#3 The initial list.

Give me some ideas
How do you guys suggest setting up the initial list?

Maybe some of these big time grudge racers like ; Zak, Bad Bob, Randy, Brandon, Tyler, Jeff, Mike, Dkbmxer, etc.....will join the list if there is some sort of incentive....but also I want it to be for just fun, no grudge racing, no stipulations, just good ole fashion heads up racing.

You could have two TDL Lists. One for cars with tags and insurance. One for untagged vehicles. Do you really have that many. That is what I would take in consideration.

I would also put in the TDL. The home track to be raced at. I know in the past. People would try to make a race at Carolina. They would try to use a 1/4 mile track to their advantage, when the other car is set up to run 1/8 mile.

I also think that if someone joins the TDL after it has been established. He should be placed at the bottom and work his way up the list.

I agree with the heads up racing! No breaks or stipulations. Run what you brung.

red99pony · 11-08-2009, 10:08 AM

i think the separating race cars from street cars is a good idea. you would just have clarify things for example. street tires or slicks. or maybe no slicks allowed on street cars. some people may not be able to afford getting a different set or rims and tires or just don't want to go through the hassel and in the end it would hurt the list because people wouldn't participate. also some people will never have intentions on being number 1 but would like to be somewhere on the list so if it is going to cost money you should definitely keep it small. maybe post a thread and see who wants to participate and how much they think is a good admission price. just my thoughts

Pesce Nero · 11-08-2009, 11:55 AM

i say every season the list gets jumbled up. if you want more action, i would think pulling names out of a hat and cars all mixed together would create more races.

the race car at top of the list has been under constrution for most of the year so we cant blames Robert race car as the problem no one races. if Robert doesnt have another car to put on the list then i vote the race car stays

i am in survival mode financially, i dont have the money for my car hobby right now. a friendly $50-$100 bet is not friendly to me. but i would pay a small fee to be on the list to support the site. i would like to see TOP DOG gets a $100 gift cert at end of each year. that could premote alot of races at the end of the year the faster guys would have to defend themselves. the faster cars brake more often and are more money and trouble to run so a guy with a 7 second car that keeps the pressure on could win Top Dog

i would like to see the more popular guys like Matt, Brandon, Kevin, Zac, Mikey, Greg, Bad Bob on the list. IMO, without these guys, there really is no list. my 2 cents

Harry · 11-08-2009, 12:14 PM

I would say a $10 entry fee for the TDL would be fair.

Mike · 11-08-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bwelch

How small of an admission fee are you thinking? I dont think it will work so well that way. There could be almost a 2 second difference between the slowest and the fastest.........

10-20 dollars. I may have not typed it right, but I'm saying the fastest car most likely won't win. It is the person who wins the most races. That means if your close to the bottom, and you start working your way up, You will have more wins than the Top Dog who hardly gets called out. I think 50-100 is way to much for some people including me, This is suppose to be just for fun. If enough people want to do a separate list for more money, that would be great.

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Originally Posted by 05Saleen

I also think that if someone joins the TDL after it has been established. He should be placed at the bottom and work his way up the list.

That's a good idea, but it will conflict with what I'm planning for a small prize. The person who comes in afterwards, if fast enough, would easily beat enough cars to win the most times.

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Originally Posted by red99pony

i think the separating race cars from street cars is a good idea. you would just have clarify things for example. street tires or slicks.

Not sure that will work, but we will see.

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Originally Posted by SIXPACKGUT

i would like to see the more popular guys like Matt, Brandon, Kevin, Zac, Mikey, Greg, Bad Bob on the list. IMO, without these guys, there really is no list. my 2 cents

+1 . No use setting the list up unless we have some of the most avid track goers. I wouldn't even see a problem with having multiple cars on their. Guys could put their Tow Rigs, daily drivers, etc.... to make it more interesting. hell as much as Zac wins with his diesel, he would probably take the prize money.

Pesce Nero · 11-08-2009, 12:31 PM

picking one weekend a month for top dog races and alternate tracks between DD, Bowman, and hopefully Midway would also help support our local tracks and would be like a CHP get together with Food, Drink and maybe strippers

Harry · 11-08-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXPACKGUT

picking one weekend a month for top dog races and alternate tracks between DD, Bowman, and hopefully Midway would also help support our local tracks and would be like a CHP get together with Food, Drink and maybe strippers

Sounds like a good idea also. Don't really care about the strippers though. Just something to get us married guys in trouble.

Mike · 11-08-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Just something to get us married guys in trouble.

Most strippers are equal opportunists, meaning they like wives too.

Harry · 11-08-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Most strippers are equal opportunists, meaning they like wives too.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaa. My wife isn't into that kindof stuff.

Mike · 11-08-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry

Yeaaaaaaaaaaa. My wife isn't into that kindof stuff.

mine either.

red99pony · 11-08-2009, 12:52 PM

how would you keep up with all of the wins? would you be placed by who you beat or time slips or both?

Mike · 11-08-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by red99pony

how would you keep up with all of the wins? would you be placed by who you beat or time slips or both?

no time slips displayed. Yea just keep a number next to the racer indicating the amount of wins.

MonteC · 11-08-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXPACKGUT

picking one weekend a month for top dog races and alternate tracks between DD, Bowman, and hopefully Midway would also help support our local tracks and would be like a CHP get together with Food, Drink and maybe strippers

This is a good idea. Sans strippers. Local tracks need all the help they can get. I would attend just to watch. Talk shit all week on the board then watch whoever was talking shit race and then see the list reflect the results. No bs, just heads up.

AverageJoe · 11-08-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MonteC

This is a good idea. Sans strippers. Local tracks need all the help they can get. I would attend just to watch. Talk shit all week on the board then watch whoever was talking shit race and then see the list reflect the results. No bs, just heads up.

SANS strippers??? wtf? Not all of us have a pole in our house!

red99pony · 11-08-2009, 02:21 PM

keeping up with wins sounds like a good idea, my only question is i have watched guys race each other all night. what if say number 14 and 15 on the tdl race 15 times against each other all night each weekend. that would add up in a hurry. or would it have to be a once a night called out race? i only ask because i can see where this could be abused.

Whaler · 11-08-2009, 02:27 PM

What happens when someone just gives up their spot and NO Race actually happens? I don't think that should count as a win. It may jumble the list, but no win if the race doesn't happen. JMO

Mike · 11-08-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler

What happens when someone just gives up their spot and NO Race actually happens? I don't think that should count as a win. It may jumble the list, but no win if the race doesn't happen. JMO

exactly. Wins only count if the race happen.

DolSVT00 · 11-08-2009, 02:38 PM

There really needs to be classes in all honesty Mike to make it fair. 90% of us don't have "street cars" acording to the law anyway. A street car is something that's 50 state legal, and my wife's mustang don't even make that bill, other than a prius or a smart car, there arent many "street cars" out there, thats why we alwayse argue about it and make up our own stips about AC, Gas tank ect. The law is the law plain and simple, you have a "street car" it should be 50 state legal.

11-08-2009, 10:08 AM	#4
red99pony Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: goose creek sc Posts: 818	i think the separating race cars from street cars is a good idea. you would just have clarify things for example. street tires or slicks. or maybe no slicks allowed on street cars. some people may not be able to afford getting a different set or rims and tires or just don't want to go through the hassel and in the end it would hurt the list because people wouldn't participate. also some people will never have intentions on being number 1 but would like to be somewhere on the list so if it is going to cost money you should definitely keep it small. maybe post a thread and see who wants to participate and how much they think is a good admission price. just my thoughts __________________ 02 lightning all stock 99 mustang gt Tork Tech terminator kit making a little boost

11-08-2009, 11:55 AM	#5
Pesce Nero Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,680	i say every season the list gets jumbled up. if you want more action, i would think pulling names out of a hat and cars all mixed together would create more races. the race car at top of the list has been under constrution for most of the year so we cant blames Robert race car as the problem no one races. if Robert doesnt have another car to put on the list then i vote the race car stays i am in survival mode financially, i dont have the money for my car hobby right now. a friendly $50-$100 bet is not friendly to me. but i would pay a small fee to be on the list to support the site. i would like to see TOP DOG gets a $100 gift cert at end of each year. that could premote alot of races at the end of the year the faster guys would have to defend themselves. the faster cars brake more often and are more money and trouble to run so a guy with a 7 second car that keeps the pressure on could win Top Dog i would like to see the more popular guys like Matt, Brandon, Kevin, Zac, Mikey, Greg, Bad Bob on the list. IMO, without these guys, there really is no list. my 2 cents __________________

11-08-2009, 12:31 PM	#8
Pesce Nero Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,680	picking one weekend a month for top dog races and alternate tracks between DD, Bowman, and hopefully Midway would also help support our local tracks and would be like a CHP get together with Food, Drink and maybe strippers __________________

11-08-2009, 12:52 PM	#13
red99pony Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: goose creek sc Posts: 818	how would you keep up with all of the wins? would you be placed by who you beat or time slips or both? __________________ 02 lightning all stock 99 mustang gt Tork Tech terminator kit making a little boost

11-08-2009, 02:21 PM	#17
red99pony Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: goose creek sc Posts: 818	keeping up with wins sounds like a good idea, my only question is i have watched guys race each other all night. what if say number 14 and 15 on the tdl race 15 times against each other all night each weekend. that would add up in a hurry. or would it have to be a once a night called out race? i only ask because i can see where this could be abused. __________________ 02 lightning all stock 99 mustang gt Tork Tech terminator kit making a little boost

11-08-2009, 01:23 AM	#1
Mike Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Goose Creek, SC Posts: 5,481	NEW Top Dog List discussion I want to start a new top dog list. Obviously the old one isn't working at all. Hasn't been an actual TDL race for a while. I have some ideas, but I want to hear what you guys have to say also. #1 you guys (wade & morey) were right, and I was wrong. I need to keep the race cars off the list. But how do I do that? Maybe something like proof of tags & insurance is all we need. I mean nobody is stupid enough to tag & insure their race car just to be on the TDL. #2 Incentive. We need an incentive to make it more active. -My idea is charge a small admission fee to be on the list. At the end of the season the person who "wins the most races" wins the pot. This gives everyone a chance to win. The top dog wins by staying the fastest, the people below him win by getting faster and trying to make their way up the list. #3 The initial list. Give me some ideas How do you guys suggest setting up the initial list? Maybe some of these big time grudge racers like ; Zak, Bad Bob, Randy, Brandon, Tyler, Jeff, Mike, Dkbmxer, etc.....will join the list if there is some sort of incentive....but also I want it to be for just fun, no grudge racing, no stipulations, just good ole fashion heads up racing.

11-08-2009, 05:51 AM	#2
bwelch Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,774	How small of an admission fee are you thinking? I dont think it will work so well that way. There could be almost a 2 second difference between the slowest and the fastest. It will be hard to get a 7.80 car to join the list when the top dog is 6.10. How about form a list and set a bet(something friendly like $50 or a $100) to call out the guy ahead of you. If he turns down the race he loses his spot. You have up to 2 weeks to do the race or you lose your spot.

11-08-2009, 12:14 PM	#6
Harry Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Summerville Posts: 3,321	I would say a $10 entry fee for the TDL would be fair.

11-08-2009, 02:27 PM	#18
Whaler Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Ashley Posts: 2,498	What happens when someone just gives up their spot and NO Race actually happens? I don't think that should count as a win. It may jumble the list, but no win if the race doesn't happen. JMO

11-08-2009, 02:38 PM	#20
DolSVT00 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Goose Creek Posts: 3,913	There really needs to be classes in all honesty Mike to make it fair. 90% of us don't have "street cars" acording to the law anyway. A street car is something that's 50 state legal, and my wife's mustang don't even make that bill, other than a prius or a smart car, there arent many "street cars" out there, thats why we alwayse argue about it and make up our own stips about AC, Gas tank ect. The law is the law plain and simple, you have a "street car" it should be 50 state legal. __________________